ETHS Superb Owl
2021 — Evanston, IL/US
Public Forum Paradigm List
All Paradigms: Show HideMy advice to you would be to be very clear in the arguments you are making so that I can follow you. Be courteous and respectful - I cannot abide rudeness, eye rolling or anything that suggests you do not respect your peers. Manage your time well, I don’t expect to have to intervene on a time management issues but I will if I have to. Ultimately though I am a newish judge with relatively brief experience of the topics so... convince me. Make your arguments clear and tell me why you won. Appeal to the ordinary citizen (me) through sound reasoning, succinct organisation, credible evidence and clear delivery. And enjoy it!
Experience: I have been judging Public Forum Debate for 8 years.
I am a professor, and a parent.
Public Forum in essence is the clarity of persuasion. Clarity is driven by ability to tell a compelling story that is supported by effective evidence. What I am looking for is the following:
Speeches
· Presentation of your arguments in a clear and organized manner.
· Slowly speak, do not speed through your speeches.
· Robustly support your contentions with thoughtfully presented evidence.
- Clearly explain your evidence and explicitly state its relevance.
- Thoroughly understand your source. Be able explain how the study was done, the methodology, the rational and the limitations. And be able to explain why this a strong piece of supporting evidence.
· Expeditiously produce the card for your evidence if asked.
· Create a compelling story.
Crossfire and Grand Crossfire
· Propose incisive questions that the other team understands clearly.
· Succinctly answer questions using relevant evidence.
· Expeditiously produce the card for evidence if asked.
· Translate your thoughts into coherent speech quickly.
· Be polite and have respectful exchanges, and please do not talk over one another.
Final Focus
· Analyzing the arguments in a convincing manner.
· Clearly present the weaknesses of the other side.
· Be able to keep the storyline throughout the debate.
Finally, assume I have never heard about anything about the topics given. I want you to explain and debate as if I this is my first-time hearing about the topic.
First-year lay judge
Rice 24
email me or put me on the chain: 100gecsfanpage@gmail.com
I try and be tech>truth but obvs no one is completely tab, in general I vote for the team that I think is easiest to justify a vote for in my rfd
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Some comments
- Speaks: I am a speaks fairy. If you don't get blessed, I'll explain why post round or in my ballot
- Speed: The faster you go, the shorter each line of my flow gets. There is a point at around 225-250 wpm where what I type starts looking something like "bad econ, investment" and when I look over the flow I have no idea what it means
- What my flow looks like: I flow vertically on excel. I would prefer teams line by line, at least when frontlining or doing rebuttals/extensions of defense. It's a little harder for me to tangibly flow "clash" summaries over a line by line. That being said, these are just disclaimers. I'd prefer everyone to debate the way they do so best, and doing so will make it easier to win the ballot than conforming to my preferences poorly
- Evidence: Bad evidence is bad. If I call for a piece of evidence and it is misconstrued in a way that would give you a tangible advantage on the flow compared to if it was read correctly, i'll drop it
- Rebuttals: Please frontline the arg you want to go for in 2nd rebuttal. If the 2nd speaking team doesn't frontline, I'll allow sticky defense. Also please weigh your turns
- Weighing: A lot of the time "weighing" is like new implications of your contention on their contentions. If this is the case, it should be happening in rebuttal or summary. I do not want to hear new implication weighing in the 2nd FF
- Cross: I try and pay attention to cross for like speaker points, I think cross can be genuinely important in debate because it can show judges who actually knows the topic when directly interacting with the other team but usually cross in pf is kinda sad, so teams who get something substantial to happen in it will have a special place in my heart. Any concessions should be brought up in speech
- Theory: Theory is ok if there's actual abuse or a legitimate norm. Friv theory is frivolous (woah) and getting me to vote on it is an uphill battle. Read content warnings if your argument has the potential to be triggering and offer an opt out
- Useless frameworks: definitely an interesting choice. Sometimes I see teams read a framework and don't extent impacts in relation to the framework. If a framework is read, please commit. I want to see reasons why I should evaluate the round this way or why the role of the ballot is ____
- Disclosure/Postround: I will always disclose who won as long as the tournament permits and I URGE you to ask questions about my decision. One reason that the judging pool in PF can be so screwy is because judges don't really care about the round, don't really think about the arguments, and just give half-assed decisions that they haven't really thought over. I would love it if you asked me "how did you evaluate X argument" or something like that - I try my best to think over everything, but sometimes that won't always work out.
Send a song recommendation to my email! I'm trying to broaden my tastes
For Palatine: I feel like these rounds are getting messy and confusing. Please take time in your speeches to explain the WHY behind your cards.
Email: jgiesecke10@gmail.com (put me on the email chain)
My fundamental principles:.
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It’s not an argument without a warrant.
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'Clarity of Impact' weighing isn't real.
- ‘Probability weighing also isn’t real
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Calling for un-indicted cards is judge intervention.
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Judge intervention is usually bad.
view of a PF round:
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Front lining in the second rebuttal makes the round easier for everyone — including me.
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Offense is conceded if it’s dropped in the proceeding speech — a blippy extension or the absence of weighing is a waste of the concession.
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Overviews should engage/interact with the case it’s being applied to.
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Warrant/evidence comparison is the crux of an effective rebuttal.
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Offense must be in summary and Final Focus.
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If they don’t frontline your defense, you can extend it from first rebuttal to first Final Focus.
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You MUST answer turns in the second rebuttal or first summary.
- Telling me you outweigh on scope isn’t really weighing, you need to tell my WHY you outweigh on scope or whatever.
- Comparative weighing is the crux of a good summary and final focus and good comparative weighing is the easiest way win.
Judging style:
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I don’t evaluate new weighing in second Final Focus.
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weighing needs to be consistent in summary and final focus
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It may look like I'm not paying attention to crossfire; it's because I'm not.
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Turns that aren't extended in the first summary that ends up in the first final focus become defense
- Miscellaneous Stuff
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Flip the coin as soon as both teams are there
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Have preflows ready
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open cross is fine
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Flex prep is fine
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K’s fine but can only be read in the second case or first rebuttal.
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I will NOT evaluate disclosure theory
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I don't care where you speak from
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I don't care what you wear
I graduated 2020 from hawken. debated four years of pf, 2 on nat circuit and did fairly well.
Also email chain: grantgriffin2025@u.northwestern.edu (I took a gap year)
I had a rly long paradigm last year and got rid of it but if you remember from last year its still probably all applicable. I can flow fast-ish and am generally tech, but like, do good tech debate. Just reading 70 one card turns is lame. Id prefer if people read arguments in rebuttal and case with multiple warrants and multiple cards rather than more blippy one card responses and turns. I dont love theory because I dont understand it super well. Please weigh, please read warranted arguments, please do actual analysis, please use your brain instead of just mindlessly reading cards, please listen to what the other team is actually saying instead of what you think they are saying. Also I really like when people talk about the implications of certain responses on other arguments in the round because I think that type of analysis is difficult and shows the difference between people who just read their teams prep and people who actually understand debate rounds. ie if you say something smart and Im like 'wow i havent heard that in literally every other round ive judged' ill be happy.
Please be civil and courteous during the entire round, including cross-fire and rebuttals. I am fine with each of you keeping time, ok if you use your phone for the timer. Please have your cards ready to present within an appropriate amount of time so the rounds aren’t slowed down.
I discourage spreading… I would much rather see a concise and analytical presentation rather than simply speeding through your material. You can run theory and kritiks but do not expect me to understand and evaluate them. Clear signposting and quantifiable impacts are important to me.
27: Average Speaker
28: Good Job!
29: Very good speaker
30: You wowed me
I am a parent judge.
Please try to be as clear as possible and stay under 200 wpm.
Good Luck!
I am a former PF debater, I am flow judge. Don't forget to Weigh arguments. I will flow logic arguments, cards aren't needed for anything.
When judging I take a lot of notes, so if you make a good point I will make sure to put it down. It happens quite often, especially with strong teams, that the winner of the tournament is not obvious even after the tournament is finished - in this case I make my decision on the amount of facts and points presented.
For me factual examples and historical practices are incredibly strong as an argument.
Here and there there would pop up a weak point and a strong competitors should address that.
Also, I enjoy hearing arguments that are new and fresh - it shows that competitors have expanded their research.
I think that crossfires are an opportunity to rebuttal and contradict the opponents points and arguments and should not be wasted on clarifications, especially if there are not addressed later on.
I was a 4 year policy debater for Sioux Falls Roosevelt from 2016-20. Had a lot of success both in state and on the national circuit, and always prefered circuit arguments and styles. I went on to earn my B.S.B. in Finance from the University of Minnesota.
Quick things for all formats
- Speed is fine, but if you spread analytics I will only evaluate what is on my flow
- Ask me if you have questions
- No prep for email/flashing
- Include me in the e-mail chain/flash drive exchange (jaxonkroger@gmail.com)
- Tag team CX is acceptable, but partner's shouldn't dominate it
- In your last speech you should probably not go for everything
- Clash matters -- do not run away from your opponent's arguments
- You can be aggressive, but don't be mean
You need to flesh out your arguments, dive deeper and give me the warrants!!!!
PF NOTES AFTER POLICY
POLICY
Theory (+Topicality)
Nobody likes a judge who doesn't evaluate theory. I’ve voted on it and I've ran it. It has to be developed and it has to dive deep into the standards. The claim needs to be legit. I generally default to competing interpretations unless convinced otherwise. Have offense against their interpretation and use the standards to prove substance to your theoretical objection. If you go for theory in any sense of the word, tell me whether it’s a reason to reject the team or argument and provide offense for that. If you close on theory, you should spend at least 4 minutes on it
On conditionality: 1 is fine--2 is fine--3 is fine--4 gives you a claim
Disadvantages
Link story is usually the largest uphill battle, so you should probably have more than one link
Specific links are good links
Disad turns case is important
Risk of uniqueness is a thing
Link turns need uniqueness to be offense
UQ DAs are always easier to win on than generic pltx
CPs
CP's are strategic and should be used often. Ones that are specific to the aff are even better.
Court CPs- need a test case
AFF- must explain how the perm functions (saying Perm:do both and moving on will not be weighed)
Kritiks
Kritiks are litty. I ran Setcol affs and neg strats where we always closed on the K in my junior year. Senior year I ran Puar/Queer theory. I am fairly familiar with other Ks like afropes, neolib, cap, Deleuze. But I may not know your K, and even if I do- always debate as if I don't know the jargon. If I don't understand the K, that's on you...not me. That effect is x10 when you spread. Ive come to the point in my career I believe that unless both sides spread very efficiently then education is lost. We (debaters) use spreading as a competitive tool to get "gotcha moments" that hurts quality education. Cover the entire K, the impacts of it, the alt level, the terms, etc. Flesh that stuff out. If you're neg don't read more than one K, I believe it takes away the significance and impacts of it. If it is an identity K, you probably have to close on it or I will have a hard time voting for you. Aff teams should use kicked Ks to run theory or framework. K vs K rounds can get confusing FAST, thus meaning give me an easy way to vote for your K.
Tech>Truth (unless blatantly racist, homophobic, etc.)
Framework
I hate evaluating these rounds. I usually default to offense/defense and vote for the team that did the best debating. Any shift from this framework usually requires a team who is doing the best debating anyway. That said, framework is a winning strategy, just dive deep into impacts, etc. Do your best to tell me why your framework is best for debate.
STUFF FOR PF
4 year policy debater so I evaluate args more like a policy debater
I can't evaluate what's not on my flow
OFFENSE, OFFENSE, OFFENSE!!!!
Clash matters -- do not run away from your opponent's arguments
I'm a flow judge
If 2nd rebuttal doesn't frontline, then 1st summary doesn't have to extend defense
Tag line extensions aren't enough
Collapse the round and focus on less things in the last 2 speeches
Please give me impact calc (probability, timeframe, magnitude, etc)
Weigh your impact against the opponents' impacts!
Contextualize your arguments to the rounds!
LD
Will evaluate any argument but might not know the lingo or content of your particular argument so please make sure you're explaining your side
Can probs read my sections for CX to get more info on my preferences
Hey guys!
Some background: I have 4 years of high school PF debate experience (at all regional levels) + 18 years of debating my mom.
My philosophy for PF debate: PF debate is not policy, nor congressional debate- at the meta level, its purpose is to help democratize the activity through conveying and analyzing arguments in a way that normal folk can understand. I am open to progressive strategies, but I would say your best bet in convincing me is sticking to classic, bread and butter public forum debate.
Preferences:
-I am good with speed! I talk quickly myself at times, but do consider how this will effect your speaker points! Don't use jargon TOO much as well.
-If I'm being honest, I think flow will account for around ~85% of my evaluation most of the time. (I prioritize weighing and clash). I'm human and will occasionally miss evidence that you think is important (so make sure to really emphasize what you want me to evaluate at end of the round).
-I do take into account evidence. If there is a statistic that is too good to be true I will scrutinize. Sometimes I might ask for evidence at the end of the round (but you shouldn't be worried).
-MOST IMPORTANTLY: Please do not take this activity TOO seriously! Be kind to your opponents, and hopefully even make friends with them! At the end of the day, we're just here to learn and grow as public speakers. Don't focus on WINNING, but focus on debating the best you can!
I don't like spreading and I don't like progressive debate as a cheap trick to win rounds. Defense is sticky.
Email: michaellmilles2@gmail.com
moorezdebate@gmail.com ~add me to the email chain if needed
i’m pretty easy going and familiar with most critical args. As long as the arguments are explained in a light that presents your contentions and it’s clear relation to your value and vc then the round should go really smooth.
if you have any questions about my decision or just my vague paradigm in general please don’t hesitate to ask.
I did PF in high school and I am now a senior in college, do with that information what you will. Please add mirandahopenutt@gmail.com and maristpublicforum@gmail.com to the email chain. This should be started in the tech time. Please include at least the cases and call the email chain something like "Grapevine Round 1 - Marist VL vs Marist HN."
The basics:
- I hate paraphrasing, please cut cards. I think it's bad for the activity, 9/10 times is misrepresentation, and high schoolers are less informed than the academics they are citing. I won't drop you for paraphrasing, but please make it abundantly clear where you pulled your argument from the text. (If it is clear, you could have saved yourself and everyone else a whole lot of time by just reading the card in the first place)
- I will vote on the most cleanly extended and well weighed argument in the round.
- Respond to first rebuttal in second rebuttal please (your speaker points will reflect whether you did). I will not evaluate new defense in second summary on offense dropped by the second rebuttal.
- Make sure your extensions of arguments are extensions of the entire argument. Saying "extend the Jones '12 turn" in summary is not sufficient for you to go for that turn in final focus, for example.
- I will evaluate theory, k's, etc., but I prefer debates on the topic. This is simply because I feel that I am much better at judging debates on the topic. So, if you choose to read these arguments go for it, but understand that I need you to explain exactly how they should influence my ballot.
I am the typical "lay judge". However, I can evaluate strength of argumentation and command of evidence in deciding a round.
Spreading: Don't do it. Please be understandable.
Roadmaps: Extremely helpful for me in understanding how your speech will go. Just a simple explanation of the order will suffice.
The Round: I will always evaluate substantive argumentation first. However, there is only so much of debate I can understand, so if I truly am stuck on which side won based on arguments, I will vote on speaking style.
Speaker Points:
Speaker Points will be awarded based on how well your arguments are presented and argued against, as well as your speaking rhetoric. Giving a roadmap will probably reflect handsomely upon your speaker points. Toxic behavior is very bad.
One of my favorite parts of Congressional debate is that it combines debate and public speaking aspects with the performance side of speech. Given the time limits we operate under, clear and concise speeches are important-cite your evidence, refute your opponents respectfully, and be sure to point out your impacts. Do not waste the chamber’s time with games that will run the clock down (yours or your opponent’s during questioning). It’s disrespectful and does not move the debate forward.
I am evaluating the full time in session, not just the 3-minute snippet of speeches: how are you working with (or against) your colleagues? How are you working together as a chamber to get legislation passed? Questions-both asked and answered-do count into my scoring.
The Presiding Officer is more than just a timekeeper. They set the pace, organization, and mood of a chamber. To be a new PO-or to be a PO at a high-level competition-can be a risk. Their effort is considered when I score. Point of order: There is no mathematical pattern as “random” selection for questioning.
- I am a parent judge, but value well supported arguments. I consider whether debaters extend evidence properly throughout the round. Any new evidence introduced in Final Focus will be disregarded.
- If I cannot understand your speech of if you spread, you will lose!
- I will not flow Crossfire, but many rounds are won or lost here. If you have "won" in Crossfire, mention it in a later speech, and it will be noted.
- I strongly encourage all debaters to weigh their impacts towards the end of the round. Success here will likely win you my ballot.
Best of luck!
Hello! I competed in public forum for 4 years at Kennedy High School (2015-2019).
While I do find debate to be strategy based, I prefer arguments that follow a logical well thought out narrative. I keep a flow, but I prefer truthful and reasoned arguments.
There are a couple of things to do to win my ballot:
1. Have a clear narrative throughout the round. This helps me understand which argument is most important to each team rather than having a ton of random arguments that aren't clashing.
2. Extend claim+warrant+impact
3. Extend the cleanest piece of offense
4. Weigh. It is important that you weigh because if you don't I am forced to choose what I think is important and you lose control over my ballot
Flowing
- Signpost! At the end of the round I evaluate what is on my flow so it is important to be clear where you are making arguments.
- I prefer teams to not just say "extend Smith 19"- you need to explain the evidence and what that is directly responding to
- I can handle fast PF speed, but be aware of how fast I can write- speed is not always an advantage if I am unable to write it on my flow in time (also if you do choose to speak faster than normal do not exclude the other team)
Rebuttal
- I prefer well thought out articulated responses over a bunch of blippy responses (quality>quantity)
- I like carded responses, but don't card drop excessively
- For 1st rebuttal just solely respond to the opponent's case- please don't go back to your case because I just heard it and there are no responses on it yet
- For 2nd rebuttal it is your choice what you do strategically. It would be smart to do some frontlining, but I have no personal preference
Summary
- For first and second summary I would like you to extend responses on your opponent's case in order to extend it to final focus
- within this speech it is important to collapse and make grouped responses
Evidence
- I will call for a card if the other team calls for it and it becomes a point of discussion within the round or it you bring up a specific card that is very important to winning your point
- If it takes you more than 2 minutes to find a card we will have to move on and I will cross that card off the flow
K's/Theory
- I have no experience in LD or Policy so if you choose to run this type of argument you need to dumb it down for me. Personally, I would prefer a traditional contention over this type of argument. I am not a fan of disads read in rebuttal.
Other Things
- pre flow before the round! please don't delay
- I am open for discussion after the round, but please be respectful
- I understand rounds can get heated and I like respectful humor and sassiness, but do not be condescending or rude to your opponents
- Have fun!
I have a background in debate, having competed at the high school level in both policy and Lincoln Douglas debate - (including at state and national tournament levels). I also competed in speech events including extemp, original oratory & storytelling.
I have been judging Public Forum for the past four years. I would say I am a purist to the idea that the debate should be directed to the well-informed citizen. So, I can follow speed/spread to a point, but I would strongly prefer the debaters concentrate on clear communication, solid analysis and reasoning - skills that will serve them well beyond debate! I particularly look for analysis, strong speaking skills, and development of clash in the debate.
Please addwilliamhsjostrom@gmail.com to the email chain
Current Coach -- Marist School (2020-present)
Former PF Debater -- Marist School (2016-2020) - I led the country in TOC bids my senior year
I just graduated from the University of Georgia and I will be attending law school next year
***NATS POLICY UPDATE ***
I did pf for 4 years and have now coached it for 4 years. That being said pretty much any speed you want to go is good with me - spreading is fine with me - I'd probably say if you want to be extra safe go at a pace of 7 or 8/10 if 10 is your fastest spreading just because I haven't judged a ton recently.
I am very familiar with policy and the types of arguments made so don't change your normal strategy just because of me as the judge. I will vote for anything (case, counterplans, disads, k’s, t, etc ... whatever are all fine). If it is won on the flow as long as you don't do something really messed up or offensive etc... youll win the argument.
All the general stuff in my PF paradigm below also applies
PF Paradigm:
Debate is first and foremost a safe, fun, and educational activity so we should do our best to keep it that way
TL;DR: I am a tech judge and I will vote off my flow. Please do whatever you do best and enjoy the round.
General important stuff:
1) Extend every part of the argument... uniqueness, link, internal link, and impact. A claim without a warrant is not an argument. If you do not extend your argument then I can not vote on it. I really do listen and pay close attention to this so please do. I will vote with no shame against teams that probably would have won if they had just extended their argument fully.
2) I cannot stress enough that fewer well developed arguments will always be better than blips with no argument development or good warrants. I've noticed teams that collapse and more thoroughly explain their arguments tend to win my ballot more often than not against a team that goes for too much.
3) Please weigh your arguments. Explain why your argument is more important than the other teams.
4) My only real pet peeve is wasting time during or before a debate. Please be ready to start the debate on time and don't cause unnecessary delays during it. Preflowing should be done before the debate. When prep time ends you should be ready to start your speech right away. "Pulling up a doc" or something like that for 30 seconds is stealing prep and should be done before you end your prep time.
5) Second rebuttal must answer first rebuttal
Other specific stuff:
Argument types:
I don’t care what type of argument you read as long as it is well explained, has warrants, and is weighed (case, k’s, theory... whatever are all fine). You do what you're best at!
Speed:
You can go as fast or slow as you want. I will be good flowing any speed you decide to go.
Theory:
Any theory arguments need to be real violations that have real impacts. Frivolous theory is unpleasant to judge and will be almost impossible to win in front of me. I believe paraphrasing is bad and disclosure is good. At this point in the activity reading cuts cards and disclosing has become a norm that most teams adhere to which I think makes my threshold for responses to the shell even higher than it has been in the past.
Any theory argument should be read in the speech directly after the violation. For example disclosure theory should be read in constructive, but if a team reads cut cards in case and then paraphrases rebuttal then you read paraphrasing in rebuttal/summary whichever is next.
Speaks:
If you flow on paper and give second half speeches off of that flow a small boost in speaks. I give speaks primarily based on quality of the debating in round. Making good strategic decisions, collapsing, and weighing are all things that can help your speaks. Being nice and not wasting time also help. I do not really care how "good" you sound if you are not making good arguments at the same time. To put this into perspective, when I debated I always felt that winning rounds was more important than sounding good, but with winning generally comes better speaks.
Debate experience:
I debated policy in high school and another 4 years as a policy debater for USC (NDT). Was away from debate for about 15 years, but the over last 5 years, I've been frequently judging PF and LD rounds (with several TOC-bid tournaments the last couple of years for LD). Haven't judged too many CX rounds recently, but am comfortable with both trad and kritik argumentation.
Feel free to add me to the email chain for evidence: ptapia217@gmail.com
Speed:
I can handle a reasonable amount of speed. College debate is pretty fast. However, I dislike super blippy rebuttals full of analytics read from a doc. While I will probably flow most if not all of it, I'd prefer you to slow down a bit to articulate warrants of arguments you feel will be critical for you to win.
Kritiks:
I am reasonably familiar with most generics (setcol, cap, afropess) and a few postmodernist positions, but it might be safe to assume that I may not be as familiar with the literature base as you might be.
K Affs:
I have tended to vote close to 50/50 for and against K affs, so I tend to be fairly open-minded about these positions, but I am more persuaded when you can articulate a clear and compelling reason as to why you need my ballot. However, I also enjoy a good framework debate that's clearly contextualized for the aff (and the round) rather than something mechanically just read from premade blocks.
Speaker Points:
I tend to be reasonably generous and won't give anything below a 28.5 in a bid tournament. If I think you're strong enough to break, I won't give you less than a 29.5. I won't disclose speaker points, however.
I did PF for four years at Evanston Township HS, and I'm currently a senior at Columbia.
I'll flow, I can handle speed, and I'll listen to anything as long as it's not offensive/violent -- I won't vote for your argument if it's either of these things.
I'm most likely to vote for you if 1) your argument was extended in its entirety (warrant and impact) through summary and final focus, and 2) you weigh. The best weighing is comparative, so just repeating an impact from case, even if you're doing a great job explaining why that impact matters, isn't enough if it doesn't engage the other half of the debate.
Have fun & make jokes if you're funny :)