University of Michigan HS Debate Tournament
2021 — NSDA Campus, MI/US
Public Forum Paradigm List
All Paradigms: Show HideI am a parent judge who has judge previous national tournaments. If you spread then I will doc points, I have to be able to understand your arguments. The most important thing in round is clear and concise arguments, with good weighing in final focus. I do pay attention in cross-fire and factor it into my decision. I do not tolerate any racism, or trigger warnings. Any signs of that against your competitors and you automatically lose. Finally, this is supposed to be fun, so enjoy your time.
Also, any reference to the Simpson's earns you extra point Duh!!!!
Name: Courtney Bassett
School Affiliation: Seaholm HS
Number of Years Judging Public Forum: 5
Number of Years Competing in Public Forum: 0
Number of Years Judging Other Forensic Activities: 20
Number of Years Competing in Other Forensic Activities: 10
If you are a coach, what events do you coach? Public Forum, All Individual Events
What is your current occupation? Community Engagement Coordinator at a school, Online Magazine Editor, Membership Coordinator for a nonprofit
Please share your opinions or beliefs about how the following play into a debate round:
Speed of Delivery – prefer slower
Format of Summary Speeches (line by line? big picture?) Big picture
Role of the Final Focus – narrowed argument, impact
Extension of Arguments into later speeches
Topicality - neutral
Plans - no
Kritiks - neutral
Flowing/note-taking – flowing contentions
Do you value argument over style? Style over argument? Argument and style equally? Argument over style
If a team plans to win the debate on an argument, in your opinion does that argument have to be extended in the rebuttal or summary speeches? Yes
If a team is second speaking, do you require that the team cover the opponents’ case as well as answers to its opponents’ rebuttal in the rebuttal speech? Preferred
Do you vote for arguments that are first raised in the grand crossfire or final focus? Not necessarily or usually
If you have anything else you'd like to add to better inform students of your expectations and/or experience, please do so here. No
Email: gbrown23@gds.org add me to email chains!!
POLICY
Debate at Georgetown Day School, coached by Jon Sharp (his paradigm is pretty similar to my thoughts about debate)
DONT BE RACIST, SEXIST, TRANSPHOBIC, HOMOPHOBIC, ETC
tldr: i like k's and k aff's but honestly run whatever and explain why you win
K's and K Affs
Love the K definitely run it in front of me. I've ran K's almost the entire time I've debated. Specifically race stuff (ie Warren, Wilderson, Sharpe, Hartman) so I'm pretty versed in feminist and blackness lit. I'm also really versed in the Cap K. I really enjoy other K's but you just need to explain your lit, terms, and theories of power to me because I probably wont know em. But run K's in front of me they're my favorite type of debates to watch. I'm slightly skeptical of old french guys (Baudrillard, Bataille, etc) but I think you can also kind of have the most fun debates with them so if you run em feel free to pref me.
I love a good K Aff. I also really really love a good performance. I'd like it to be at least slightly related to the topic. I also like some sort of action of the aff but that could be anything ie mindset shifts, survival strats, to stopping structural violence also long as the aff does something I don't really care what it is. Also build in answers to FW. Also for teams debate against K Affs be very careful about how you run FW against identity affs cuz if I perceive it as violent or the aff calls it out as so thats a very convincing ballot and you have a pretty substantial burden of proving why it isn't being run violently or in an excluding manner.
Also don't drop ontology stuff you will lose. I also really want judge instruction explain why impacts should be weighed or what your FW means compared to theirs just tell me why you should win the round and why I should vote on that.
Policy Stuff (Da's, CPs, Topical Plans, etc)
I never really debated on the super governmental policy side of the debate. I've done my fair share but I just wouldn't consider it my forte. That doesn't mean I'm biased against it I just didn't do it all that often. This means you have to explain some of the more weird topic terms and topic specifics. But just do good debate don't drop stuff do impact calc etc. Basically just convince me why the plan is good if your aff and that the plan is bad/cp is better if you're neg. Again judge instruction is really big especially in policy debates I need to know why i vote for you.
PUBLIC FORUM
If you want to run a K in PF i'm your guy. Just do it well please.
Please try to have actual clash. My main problem with PF debates is that it feels like most of the time people are debating past each other. If the other teams provides an argument I want specific answers to that argument rather than just saying another prewritten rebuttal or contention. Also just be creative PF leaves a lot of room to maneuver because it's generally more about convincing the judge than argument proliferation so use that extra time and less stress to think about some really good arguments. Also be super articulate. You aren't spreading so I'm going to hold you to a highish standard for being very convincing in your tone and speech. Also I want judge instruction, tell me why I vote for you and on what metrics or viewpoints i should be judging from.
For email chains/evidence exchange: chancey.asher@gmail.com
I am a lay parent judge. I am looking at Contentions, Rebuttals, Extend, Impact, Weighing. Also, I am looking at your links - if you are trying to link to an impact of 8 billion lives lost because whatever this debate is about will lead to global thermonuclear war and the end of humanity, I PROBABLY won't buy it.
What is your impact, and why is it greater than your opponent's impact?
I also love clean rounds. I start to lose focus when a round gets bogged down in technical disputes.
cndi: if anyone would like to bring me purple rice red bean coconut latte from yi fang with 70% sugar & less ice i may be inclined to increase your speaker points
umich '27, debated 4 years for thomas s. wootton '23 on nat circuit, 2x gtoc
tldr:
speed ok, theory eh (see below if planning on running), tech > truth
start an email chain before round starts & add me: ruthdai077@gmail.com
please label said chain "tournament name, year, round, flight, team 1 code vs team 2 code"
in round:
preflow before round
no offtime roadmaps needed, just tell me where you're starting & signpost
i heavily prefer fw be extended in every speech but i won't hold it against u if you dont
spend more time explaining wonky args
if u spread: send speech docs (put in chain--don't put a locked doc). however, even w/ a doc u need to be clear for me to flow--i wont flow off the doc and/or double-check my flow with the doc for you
if u plan to go ultra fast(but not spreading) just give me a warning right before u start
anything not frontlined in 2nd rebuttal is conceded
turns must be impacted out and implicated in rebuttal to be voted for. id also strongly strongly strongly prefer them to be weighed when introduced
i have a pretty low threshold for what i consider turns--but 10 word blips labeled as one wont be voted on
if you aren't using your opponents uniqueness for your turn, you have to introduce your own
defense is not sticky and must be implicated in every speech--i wont do it for you
*do not try to blow something up in the next speech when it wasn't implicated in the prior one--i will not evaluate it
i don't believe in uniqueness + probability + clarity of link/impact weighing but if its the only weighing i get ill evaluate it (the only time probability weighing exists is on the link level when the link chain is conceded. otherwise, it exclusively operates as defense)
comparative + meta weighing makes me happy
i default util framing in general & the squo in policy topics, otherwise, i default first (i am open to any alt presumption if this becomes a debate)
on that note, i will try my very hardest to never default; so, the less offense i see on both sides, the lower my standards for winning an argument will be (this applies exclusively to non varsity divisions)
flex prep is fine
cross:
cross goes to the flow if brought up in next speech
chill w skipping grand for a min of prep
open cross is fine
evidence:
carded warranted ev > uncarded warranted analysis > unwarranted carded ev
only will call if: you give me a reason + tell me to, for educational purposes, or just cause
i don't accept cards that aren't cut
miscut ev gets speaks dropped and is knocked off the flow
speaks:
based off strategy & speaking
humor & a chill attitude will get u far
give me a 1 page mla format letter of rec for you from any of my old partners for 30 speaks
evidence challenges:
evidence challenges must be called once the card is introduced/called for
i believe ev challenges always incorporate a level of judge intervention so i prefer not adjudicating them but if it really is that egregious of a violation--you shouldn't have to worry about not picking up my ballot
prog:
in all honesty i started off on the traditional circuit and never fully adapted to new tech and am not great at evaluating progressive. that being said, its the judges obligation to adapt so read (so long as it is inclusive) what you want, just know my best attempt at an rfd will probably not make you super happy.
theory:
if i believe there's an actual violation that endangers people in the round, the shell doesn't matter to me atp, ill just down the team
all shells need to be read in the speech directly following the violation
if you read graphic material, you MUST read a trigger warning + google form opt-out option
on that note: i don’t require tws for non graphic material but that doesn’t mean i don’t evaluate tw theory for such args
running theory just because you know your opponents don't know how to respond is pretty trashy
don't read paraphrasing overviews, just run theory atp
things i wont evaluate:
- tricks
- tko's
- 30 speaks theory
- an identity k that does not apply to u but applies to ur opponents
out of round:
i will always disclose rfd (regardless of tourney rules) and im happy to disclose speaks, just ask
postrounding and being a sore loser are not mutually exclusive, im fine with the former not the latter
if you have any questions prior to the round or after feel free to email me(preferably ask me in the room, im a very lazy typer)
*side note: debate should be fun--run whatever makes you laugh (so long as your opponents are also okay with that type of round)
Hi,
Here are my expectations/paradigm for the round.
- Running obscure arguments on your opponents might seem super cool, but showing probability and a clear link chain will probably have a better chance of winning.
- Second rebuttal needs to address turns from first rebuttal, otherwise your rebuttal is a little too late.
- First summary doesn't need to extend defense unless you think its absolutely necessary for whatever reason.
- You need to extend BOTH the warrant AND impact of your argument(s) in later speeches if you're serious about finessing my ballot.
- I'm all for taking control of CX/the round but if you are abusive/disrespectful in doing so it will reflect poorly on the ballot. Treat you opponents like human beings and we'll all have a good time.
-In terms of speed if your flow and delivery is hot and clear I'm writing it down. If you wanna be Speed Racer go ahead as long as you feel a reasonable person can still understand you.
-Use author qualifications when first citing a piece of evidence (for extensions later on last name will suffice).
-Tate
Here are the things that I value most in a debate tournament:
1) Be respectful!
2) Be clear on your reasoning!
3) I am particularly interested in how you can elaborate the impacts.
I am a lay judge with little knowledge on this topic.
Please speak slowly and clearly and explain why your arguments are weighted.
Spend a lot time to explain your argument and your talking point is the most important for me.
I will not disclose in prelims.
Please do the timing yourselves.
Hi everyone! My name is Emma Gavriliuc and I'm a junior at the University of Michigan (Go Blue!)
Yes, put me on the email chain: eagavriliuc@gmail.com
Experience:
I did PF for one year and am now an assistant coach for our middle school pf and policy teams. I've done policy for four years so I'm fine with speed and just about any argument, but if you're unclear I will not try to decipher your arguments for you. Clarity over speed always.
For Policy Debate:
Top-Level:
- I read along with speech docs and prefer clear, relatively slow, and organized debates.
- Again, send me the docs. You have my email.
- Card quality and recency is huge - evidence quality in general is an important and valuable component
- Share docs with all parties, if it's a new aff I will still chalk non-shared docs up to the aff simply being bad.
- Generally against war-good arguments, I see very little persuasion and relevance. They're just not convincing
- Use Cross-X effectively and bring any arguments through to your speeches, I will not flow cross-x but its valid if it comes up in your speech later
How to sway me:
- Give me a clear picture and clear understanding of the world you are presenting
- Evidence quality is important - so is recency
- I enjoy and will be more persuaded by a slower debate with strong arguments and evidence. If you're faster, I can and will follow - but please
- The 2nr/2ar should spend the first 15-20 seconds explaining how I should vote with judge instruction.
- If you laid a trap, tell me, because I’m probably not going to vote on something that wasn’t flagged as an argument.
- Have, utilize, and explain internal links!
What I don't like
- Word PICs - unless you genuinely think you can make me care and that it will change the course of the debate, I think these are just silly
- Negs that start with 9 + offcase positions, I prefer quality to quantity. It's, of course, fine to start with more than what you end with - but please don't just throw things out there for the sake of wasting time
- Offensive language - don't do it. Don't be rude to your partners, your opponents, or me. If you're rude or offensive, it will drastically impact your points and my perception as well. Just be nice
- No old camp blocks - I've seen them. Try not to use them. It won't lose you a round, but you can do better and the round will be better as a whole with your own blocks as well
Topicality:
- Be intentional with topicality. Make sure you have all components of topicality included in your shell. Make it relevant to the round and topic and please do flesh out any impacts associated
- That said, I like debates that have stories. I like debates about real topics with real clashing of arguments. Use topicality if you want, but not to the extent that the debate loses the essence of the topic at hand.
Critical affs:
- Is there a role of the ballot? Make that clear
- Framework: Explain the topical version of the aff; use your framework impacts to turn/answer the impacts of the 1ac; if you win framework you win the debate because…
- A debate has to occur and happen within the speech order/times of the invite; the arguments are made are up to the debaters and I generally enjoy a broad range of arguments
Kritiks:
- Not a fan of high theory, but I'll listen to them
- Framework is huge - what is the framework for evaluating the debate? What does voting for the alternative signify? What should I think of the aff’s truth statements?
- Please please please be clear and consistent with what your alt is
- Perms are really persuasive to me - if you want to win against a perm be really careful with the arguments you're presenting and how you go about it on the neg. I tend to vote aff on perms but I do get excited by negs that respond well and can convince me otherwise
Disads
- Overviews on disads are good - please do include
- Focus on internal links here please
Counterplans
- Please have a specific and clearly described solvency advocate and solvency mechanism
- Consult and conditions counterplans are probably illegitimate - if you think you can convince me otherwise, please do give it a try
Theory/Rules:
- I guess they're fine but flesh the impact and value of these arguments
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For Public Forum:
As a judge, I assure you that I will not vote based on my personal beliefs. What you give me is what I will weigh.
I am looking for clear, concise contentions supported by solid and specific pieces of credible evidence that build a persuasive argument.
I can tell if you haven't listened to your opponents arguments so please do yourself a favor and actually flow.
I will be updating my paradigm frequently based on things that I do and do not want to see.
When Speaking:
- Be confident but don't be cocky
- Be clear
- Remember that you're trying to persuade ME not your opponents.
Do:
- Clash with each others arguments rather than simply reiterating your own points
- Extend the arguments that you are winning on
- Use the cross-examination to ask probing questions about opponents’ evidence and arguments (evidence comparison makes me happy)
- Clearly explain to me how the argument your team built is more persuasive than your opponents’ argument
- Defense is good, but don't overlook offense
- Organize your speech strategically please
- Tell me what your winning on and what your opponents have dropped as well - leverage these things
Don't:
- Say anything rude, offensive, insensitive, or derogatory - none of it will fly with me and it shouldn't fly with anyone else either
- Speak over opponents or your partner in round
- Just say that you won without proving to me why I should actually vote for you and why your arguments have won you the round
I look forward to watching you debate!
My name is Lisa Grzywacz and I have been judging for six years. I prefer that you speak clearly and not too quickly. I am looking for organized arguments with statistics to back up your claims. Make sure that you reiterate your contentions while also refuting claims that the opposing team provides. It is beneficial to give a framework for which me to judge from.
As a judge, I assure you that I will not vote based on my personal beliefs. I look forward to hearing your arguments.
EXT. VALLEY -- DAY A MYSTERIOUS WARRIOR treks across the rugged landscape. NARRATOR (V.O.) Legend tells of a legendary warrior whose Kung Fu skills were the stuff of legend. The warrior, his identity hidden beneath his flowing robe and wide-brimmed hat, gnaws on a staff of bamboo. NARRATOR (V.O.) (CONT'D) He traveled the land in search of worthy foes. CUT TO: INT. BAR The warrior sits at a table drinking tea and gnawing on his bamboo. The door BLASTS open. The MANCHU GANG rushes in and surrounds him. GANG BOSS (to warrior) I see you like to CHEW! (beat) Maybe you should chew on my FIST!! The Boss punches the table. NARRATOR (V.O.) The warrior said nothing for his mouth was full. Then, he swallowed. He swallows. NARRATOR (V.O.) (CONT'D) And then, he spoke. WARRIOR (dubbed hero voice) Enough talk. Let's FIGHT! SHASHABOOEY! WHAM! The warrior delivers a punch and the whole gang goes flying. NARRATOR (V.O.) He was so deadly in fact that his enemies would go blind from overexposure to pure awesomeness. 2. The gang members blindly flail about. NINJA CAT MY EYES! GATOR HE'S TOO AWESOME! ONLOOKERS swoon. SMITTEN BUNNY And ATTRACTIVE! GRATEFUL BUNNY How can we repay you?? WARRIOR There is no charge for awesomeness, or attractiveness. ONE HUNDRED ASSASSINS appear and surround the warrior. CUT TO: EXT. BAR - CONTINUOUS The entire bar swells, packed to the rafters with ninjas. WARRIOR KABLOOEY! CUT TO: EXT. BAR - CONTINUOUS The roof EXPLODES and a cloud of ninjas erupts into the sky. Like a tornado, the warrior spins and knocks them all down. NARRATOR (V.O.) It mattered not how many foes he faced. They were no match for his bodacity. The warrior beats up a thousand ninjas, delivering his final blow while doing a split between two trees. The warrior stands amongst a field of vanquished foes as god- rays shine down upon him. NARRATOR (V.O.) (CONT'D) Never before had a panda been so feared... and so loved. (MORE) 3. NARRATOR (V.O.) (CONT'D) Even the most heroic heroes in all of China, the Furious Five, bowed in respect to this great master. MONKEY We should hang out. WARRIOR Agreed. As the Five salute the warrior, he turns to see more bandits approaching. The Five strike an attack pose. The warrior brandishes a shiny green sword and leaps off the mountain into the sea of bandits. NARRATOR (V.O.) But hanging out would have to wait. `Cause when you're facing the ten thousand demons of Demon Mountain, there's only one thing that matters. And that's-- In mid air, the Five talk to the warrior in a strange voice. MONKEY Po! Get up! TIGRESS You'll be late for work! PO Whu? INT. PO'S ROOM - DAY Po lands hard on the floor. He tries to clear his head and wake up. PO'S DAD (O.S.) Po! Get up! We see his room is filled with various kung fu posters (including a poster featuring all of the Five) and souvenirs, and a wooden version of the Sword of Heroes (the green sword). Po SIGHS. He attempts to kick himself to his feet but alas, his belly is too worthy a foe. PO'S DAD (O.S.) (CONT'D) Po! What are you doing up there? 4. PO Uh, nothing! Po hops to his feet, imitating his Kung Fu action figures. PO (CONT'D) Monkey! Mantis! Crane! Viper! Tigress! Rowrrrr... OUTSIDE on the balcony of the neighboring house, a pig watering flowers stares at Po. Po tries to play it cool and then quickly ducks out of sight. PO'S DAD (O.S.) Po! Let's go! You're late for work! PO Coming! He takes a ninja star from his floor and chucks it at the wall. It bounces off. He throws the star again, but it bounces off again. He picks it up and heads downstairs. He trips and falls the rest of the way. INT. KITCHEN - DAY Po falls flat on his face on the kitchen floor. A panda- shaped shadow looms over Po. PO Sorry, Dad. PO'S DAD Sorry doesn't make the noodles. Reveal that the shadow is actually caused by a basket being carried by a small DUCK. This is PO'S DAD. Po gets to work, which is not easy since the kitchen's not really made for a panda his size. PO'S DAD (CONT'D) What were you doing up there? All that noise. PO Oh, nothing. Just had a crazy dream. He gets back to work. 5. PO'S DAD About what? PO Huh? PO'S DAD The dream. What were you dreaming about? PO What was I... eh, I was dreaming about uh... heh... Push in on Po -- is he going to admit his dream? He hides his throwing star behind his back. PO (CONT'D) Noodles. THOK. Dad stops chopping vegetables. PO'S DAD Noodles. You were really dreaming about noodles? PO Uh, yeah. What else would I be dreaming about? Po hands a noodle bowl to a customer, then realizes his throwing star is sitting in it. PO (CONT'D) (to customer) Careful, that soup is... sharp! PO'S DAD Oh, happy day! My son, finally having the noodle dream! He throws his arms around Po. PO'S DAD (CONT'D) You don't know how long I have been waiting for this moment. When Dad pulls out of the hug, Po is now wearing a noodle apron. PO'S DAD (CONT'D) This is a sign, Po! 6. Po looks at the apron nervously -- what has he gotten himself into? PO Uh...a sign of what? PO'S DAD You are almost ready to be entrusted with the secret ingredient of my "Secret Ingredient Soup." And then you will fulfill your destiny and take over the restaurant, just as I took it over from my father, who took it over from his father, who won it from a friend in a game of mahjong. PO Dad Dad Dad, it was just a dream. PO'S DAD No, it was the dream. We are noodle folk. Broth runs through our veins. PO But Dad, didn't you ever, I dunno, want to do something else? Something besides noodles? PO'S DAD Actually... Po looks surprised. PO'S DAD (CONT'D) When I was young and crazy... Dad gets a wistful look in his eyes. PO'S DAD (CONT'D) I thought about running away and learning how to make tofu. PO So why didn't you?! PO'S DAD Oh, because it was a stupid dream. Can you imagine, me making tofu? (laughs at the thought) No. We all have our place in this world. Mine is here. And yours is-- 7. PO I know. Is here. PO'S DAD No, it's at tables two, five, seven, and twelve. He loads Po's arms with bowls of soup. PO'S DAD (CONT'D) Service with a smile! A GONG sounds in the distance. Po looks out the window at the distant JADE PALACE. EXT. JADE PALACE - DAY SLAM ZOOM in towards Palace. End next to palace on an old red panda (SHIFU) playing a FLUTE. He is surrounded by the bushes and trees that nestle between the Palace buildings. Wider: We dolly around from behind the bushes. Stealthy dark shapes move in the foreground. Back on Shifu, still playing. He seems oblivious. Five figures explode from the undergrowth simultaneously, diving on Shifu. Shifu moves like lightning - the flute now wielded like a staff - he deflects, blocks, dodges, parries - the attackers go flying - They roll and pick themselves up, turning to face Shifu, who is now standing - poised - ready for their next move. SHIFU Well done, students... if you were trying to disappoint me. He uses his flute to correct the Five's technique. SHIFU (CONT'D) Tigress, you need more ferocity. Monkey, greater speed. Each of the Five bows respectfully as their name is mentioned. 8. SHIFU (CONT'D) Crane - height. Viper - subtlety. Mantis-- Shifu suddenly points the flute at a scared PALACE GOOSE. ZENG Master Shifu! SHIFU (impatiently) What?! ZENG (startled) Aah! It's Master Oogway. He wants to see you. Shifu looks up, concerned. INT. HALLWAY Shifu strides purposefully down the hallway, which is lined with palace geese. INT. SCROLL ROOM - DAY Candles, incense, and smoke fill the room. The door bursts open, the candles flicker. Shifu enters. SHIFU Master Oogway? You summoned me. He bows. Then looks up without unbowing. SHIFU (CONT'D) Is something wrong? Reveal Master Oogway... a wise, old tortoise. OOGWAY Why must something be wrong for me to want to see my old friend? SHIFU So... nothing's wrong? OOGWAY Well, I didn't say that. Shifu looks up, concerned. Oogway opens his mouth... and blows out a candle. And another candle. And another. 9. Finally, Shifu uses his Kung Fu to blow them all out. Oogway smiles knowingly. SHIFU You were saying? OOGWAY I have had a vision... Tai Lung will return. Shifu looks stricken. FLASHBACK - INT. SCROLL ROOM Quick, impressionistic images of Shifu battling a large, shadowy figure (Tai Lung). PRESENT - INT. SCROLL ROOM Shifu is rattled. He looks at the claw marks that still scar the wall and quickly looks away. But he regains his composure. SHIFU That is impossible. He is in prison. OOGWAY Nothing is impossible. Shifu makes a split decision. SHIFU Zeng! He comes flying in. Shifu gets in his face. SHIFU (CONT'D) Fly to Chogun Prison and tell them to double the guards, double their weapons. Double everything! Tai Lung does not leave that prison! ZENG Yes, Master Shifu. The goose flies off, but... SMACK! He hits a column. Then he is off. Back on Oogway, as he walks toward camera, away from Shifu. 10. OOGWAY One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it. SHIFU We have to do something. We can't just let him march on the valley, and take his revenge! He'll, he'll-- Oogway looks into the water of the moon pool. OOGWAY Your mind is like this water, my friend. When it is agitated, it becomes difficult to see. But if you allow it to settle, the answer becomes clear. Shifu and Oogway stare into the pool. Oogway settles the water, revealing the reflection of an intricately carved dragon clutching a SCROLL in its mouth. SHIFU The Dragon Scroll... OOGWAY It is time. SHIFU But who? Who is worthy to be trusted with the secret to limitless power? To become...the Dragon Warrior?! Dramatic music as we push in on Oogway's face. Then... OOGWAY I don't know. INT. NOODLE SHOP - DAY Po is serving customers, but has trouble squeezing between tables. PO Oop...sorry. ANGRY PATRON Hey! Watch it, Po! PO Sorry. Suck it up. 11. He sucks his belly in, but this causes his butt to interfere with a bunny family's meal. DISGUSTED PATRON Ugh! PO Oop! Sorry! A thousand pardons. A couple palace geese put up a poster on the wall and a palace pig hits a tiny gong. This gets Po's attention. He rushes up to the poster. PO (CONT'D) What?! Master Oogway's choosing the Dragon Warrior! Today! Customers jump up excitedly. PO (CONT'D) Everyone! Everyone! Go! Get to the Jade Palace! Po urges the villagers out the restaurant. PO (CONT'D) One of the Five is gonna get the Dragon Scroll! Customers rush to finish their food. PO (CONT'D) We've been waiting a thousand years for this! Just take the bowl! Other customers are finishing their soup. One old lady customer slowly counts out coins and puts them on the table. PO (CONT'D) This is the greatest day in Kung Fu history! Don't worry about it, just go! He starts to run. PO'S DAD Po! Where are you going? Po stops dead in his tracks, busted. PO To the...Jade Palace? 12. PO'S DAD But you're forgetting your noodle cart! The whole valley will be there, and you'll sell noodles to all of them. PO Selling noodles? But Dad, you know, I was kinda thinking maybe I... PO'S DAD Yeah? PO I was kinda thinking maybe I... PO'S DAD Uh huh? Po wants to say something to his dad, but he loses his nerve. PO ...Could also sell the bean buns. They are about to go bad. PO'S DAD That's my boy! I told you that dream was a sign! PO Yeah, ha ha, glad I had it. EXT. VALLEY SQUARE - DAY Throngs of Villagers are streaming into the arena. A couple BUNNY KIDS run by. BUNNY FAN #1 Yippee! BUNNY FAN #2 I'm a Kung Fu warrior! BUNNY FAN #1 Me too! Where's Po? PAN DOWN a long, long, long, long flight of stairs. Po stands at the bottom with his noodle cart, looking up at the daunting task before him. Po struggles to pull his noodle cart up the stairs. 13. The sun beats down on Po, but he presses forward. Climbing. Climbing. DISSOLVE TO: EXT. VALLEY SQUARE - LATER Po is still struggling up the stairs. PO Come on! Come on, ya-- Almost there... He stops, flopping onto his back to catch his breath. WIDEN TO REVEAL he's only made it up seven steps. PO (CONT'D) What? No! Oh No! Two Pigs pass by. KG SHAW Sorry, Po. JR SHAW We'll bring you back a souvenir. Po watches as they run up the stairs. His eyes narrow. This is his heroic moment. PO No. I'll bring me back a souvenir. Po tosses off his hat and apron and begins his ascent up the stairs. EXT. JADE PALACE - ARENA PLATFORM Oogway reaches the bottom of the palace stairs and a Palace Pig bangs a gong. SHIFU It is an historic day, isn't it, Master Oogway? OOGWAY Yes, and one I feared I would not live to see. Are your students ready? 14. SHIFU Yes, Master Oogway. OOGWAY Now know this, old friend. Whomever I choose will not only bring peace to the Valley, but also to you. As Shifu contemplates what this could mean, Oogway starts walking off. Shifu quickly joins Oogway as they head towards the roaring crowd below. The pig bangs the gong. ANNOUNCER Let the tournament begin! EXT. VALLEY SQUARE - DAY Throngs of Villagers are streaming into the arena. EXT. TOP OF STAIRS - DAY Po gasps for air as he hoists himself over the last step, laughing victoriously. PO (out of breath) Yeah! The doors to the palace arena begin to close. PO (CONT'D) Oh no! No no no! Wait! I'm coming! Po runs to the entrance and proceeds to bang on the door. PO (CONT'D) Hey! Open the door! DRUMS inside drown out Po's pounding. He yells. PO (CONT'D) Let me in! Inside, spectators' screams drown out Po's yelling. Po panics for a beat and then finds a window. He jumps and weakly struggles to pull himself up. Po struggles to peek through the window. 15. INT. PALACE ARENA - CONTINUOUS SHIFU Citizens of the Valley of Peace! It is my great honor to present to you... Tigress! Viper! Crane! Monkey! Mantis! The Furious Five! The Five jump into the middle of the ring. PO The Furious Five! Po manages a brief glimpse of the Five before a gust of wind knocks Po to the ground and shuts the window. SHIFU Warriors prepare! Po runs over to a crack in the wall. PO Peeky-hole! SHIFU Ready for battle! Inside the arena, Po catches a glimpse of Crane as he spreads his wings. PO Yeah! Woo! The Thousand Tongues of Fire! One of the spectators walks in front of Po, cutting off his view. PIG FAN Whoa! Look at that. PO Hey, get out of the way! Po backs up to get a better look at Crane in the sky and accidentally falls down the stairs. Po climbs back up and drops his head -- he missed it. MONTAGE: Po tries karate chopping the door open...to no avail. He slumps to the ground. 16. PO (CONT'D) Ow... Po attempts a pole vault, but falls on his back. The pole whips around and hits him into the arena wall. Po rigs a catapult, only to get clobbered by it. The crowd CHEERS. Po sits atop the stairs. Alone. SHIFU And finally...Master Tigress! Po snaps to attention. Po pulls on a rope tied to a tree. SHIFU (O.S.) (CONT'D) And believe me citizens, you have not seen anything yet! PO I KNOW!! SHIFU (O.S.) Master Tigress! Face Iron Ox and his Blades of Death! Tigress sets up to deliver her move. Po launches himself up above the fence, gets a peek at Tigress, then falls out of view just as she does her move. Po lands outside the arena in a fireworks tent. INT. TOURNAMENT RING - DAY Oogway senses something. He raises his hand and the crowd hushes. OOGWAY I sense the Dragon Warrior is among us. Shifu motions for the Five to gather in the center of the ring. SHIFU Citizens of the Valley of Peace! Master Oogway will now choose... the Dragon Warrior! 17. EXT. TOURNAMENT RING - DAY Po comes to. PO Huh? Oh no! Wait! He sees the fireworks and has an idea. PO (CONT'D) Yeah! INT. TOURNAMENT RING - DAY Oogway closes his eyes and raises his hand as ceremonial DRUMS start to play. EXT. TOURNAMENT RING - DAY Po struggles with something, his back turned to us. Reveal he has tied a load of fireworks to a chair. He hops on and lights the fuse. PO'S DAD (O.S.) Po?! Po's Dad rushes over and tries to blow out the fuse. PO'S DAD (CONT'D) What are you doing? PO What does it look like I'm doing? Stop! Stop! I'm going to see the Dragon Warrior! PO'S DAD But I don't understand. You finally had the noodle dream. Po looks uneasy. PO I lied. I don't dream about noodles, Dad! He looks at the fuse... almost all gone... Po holds onto the chair for dear life, closes his eyes, and braces himself for liftoff. PO (CONT'D) I love kung fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu- 18. Po finally opens his eyes... He's still on the ground. The fuse was a dud. Po falls face first into the dirt. He looks away, embarrassed. Po's Dad holds out his apron. PO'S DAD Come on, son. Let's get back to work. PO Okay. Po sighs, starts to reach for the apron, then-- BOOM! The rockets ignite, propelling Po into the stadium wall. PO'S DAD Oh! Come back! Po's rocket chair blasts him into the sky amid a shower of fireworks. CROWD Oooh! Aaahh! Po climbs up and up...until the rockets die out and the chair loses power... PO Uh oh... Oogway's arm sweeps down the line of the expectant Five... Po falls towards the center of the ring... The tension builds as the Five wait to see who will be picked. Then... SMASH! Po lands and kicks up a huge dirt cloud, obscuring the ring. INT. ARENA PO POV: He sees the Five looking down at him, appalled. Po comes round slowly, getting his bearings. He looks around and sees Oogway. Strangely, the old turtle is smiling. PO What's going on? Where...uh? What are you pointing--? He looks up. An awful realization starts to dawn. Po GULPS. He is desperately embarrassed. 19. PO (CONT'D) Oh. Okay. Sorry. I just wanted to see who the Dragon Warrior was. He tries to shuffle his butt out of there, mumbling apologies. OOGWAY How interesting. TIGRESS Master, are you pointing at...me? OOGWAY Him. PO Who--? Po tries moving out of the way of Oogway's finger, but it keeps following him. OOGWAY You. PO Me? Oogway grabs Po's hand and holds it up for all to see. OOGWAY The universe has brought us the Dragon Warrior! QUICK CUTS: PO What? FURIOUS FIVE What?? SHIFU What??? PO'S DAD WHAT???? The pig bangs the gong. The crowd goes wild! They cheer! They scream! Confetti falls! A palanquin is carried past Shifu. 20. SHIFU Stop! Wait! Who told you to--? Po stands there, utterly stunned, his mouth hanging open. He is abruptly lifted up out of shot. Cut to the Palace Geese straining. Po is being lifted with great effort on the palanquin. He is carried off. Shifu elbows his way urgently through the thronging crowd to get to Oogway. SHIFU (CONT'D) Master Oogway, wait! That flabby panda can't possibly be the answer to... our problem. You were about to point at Tigress. That thing fell in front of her. That was just an accident! OOGWAY There are no accidents. Oogway smiles benignly as we hear an off-screen CRASH! The camera adjusts to reveal the palanquin has collapsed under Po. Shifu looks at Oogway. Oogway just smiles. A squad of burly pigs rushes in and hoists Po, the palanquin, and the Geese onto their shoulders, and they head off for the Jade Palace. Stunned, Shifu watches them go. Behind him, the Five approach and bow. TIGRESS Forgive us, Master. We have failed you. Shifu spins around. SHIFU No. If the panda has not quit by morning, then I will have failed you. Confetti flutters through the air as the celebration continues around them. CUT TO: 21. EXT. PRISON -- NIGHT A huge prison is carved into the side of a frozen mountain. Fifteen stories of iron and rock. No windows. One door -- locked, bolted and sealed tight. Rhinoceros guards in armor patrol the perimeter. Zeng, the palace goose, flies into frame and a Rhino Sentry spots him in the distance. He lands, sliding on the ice and crashing into the gate. The rhinos point their spears at him. ZENG Wait wait wait! I bring a message from Master Shifu. CLANG! The doors creak open. The terrified goose peers in. CUT TO: INT. PRISON -- A MOMENT LATER COMMANDER What?!?! (reading) "Double the guard?! Extra precautions?! Your prison may not be adequate!" The Goose is quaking in fear. Stern Rhinos surround him, staring daggers at him. The Commander snaps the scroll shut. COMMANDER (CONT'D) You doubt my prison's security? ZENG Absolutely not. (then) Shifu does. I'm just the messenger. COMMANDER I'll give you a message for your Master Shifu. ON A BRIDGE COMMANDER Escape from Chogun Prison is impossible! The Goose is awed by the cavernous prison. 22. ZENG Whoa. The goose looks over the bridge's edge. The prison goes down a long ways. The commander hits the goose on the back. COMMANDER Impressive, isn't it? A feather from the goose drifts down the prison. ZENG Yes, very impressive. It's VERY impressive. COMMANDER One way in, one way out, one thousand guards, and one prisoner. ZENG Yes, except that prisoner is Tai Lung... AT THE ELEVATOR COMMANDER Take us down. Several guard rhinos winch the goose and the commander down. The commander grabs the chain and shakes the elevator, trying to scare the goose. ZENG What are you doing?! The commander just laughs. The elevator finally lands, sending an echo throughout the prison. AT DOORS - A number of doors unlock, one after the other. Finally, a drawbridge is lowered out onto an island. ZENG (CONT'D) Oh my... COMMANDER Behold, Tai Lung. ZENG I'll um...I'm just gonna wait right here. 23. COMMANDER It's nothing to worry about. It's perfectly safe. He shoves the goose out ahead of him. ZENG Oof! COMMANDER Crossbows! At the ready! ZENG Crossbows?! They approach TAI LUNG, a giant, muscular snow leopard bound in a giant piece of tortoise shell armor and chains. He barely registers signs of life. The commander walks right up to him. COMMANDER Hey, tough guy, did you hear? Oogway's finally gonna give someone the Dragon Scroll and it's not gonna be you! The goose can't believe it. ZENG What are you doing?! Don't get him mad. COMMANDER What's he gonna do about it? I've got him completely immobilized. The Commander stomps on Tai Lung's tail. We hear a crunch. The goose flinches. But Tai Lung does not react. COMMANDER (CONT'D) Awww. Did I step on the witty kitty's tail? Awww. Tai Lung doesn't move. His eyes stare coldly straight ahead. ZENG I'm good. I've seen enough. I'm gonna tell Shifu he's got nothing to worry about. COMMANDER No, he doesn't. 24. ZENG Okay, I'll tell him that. Can we please go now? The Commander starts to walk back to the elevator. The goose hurries after him. The goose's feather flutters into frame. We follow the feather as it lands right in front of Tai Lung. HIS EYES OPEN. Tai Lung grabs the feather with his tail. INT. JADE PALACE - HALLWAY The palace doors open to reveal Po on the palanquin, hundreds of villagers behind him. CROWD (chanting) Dragon Warrior! Dragon Warrior! Po is ushered in and the doors close. He is alone. He runs back to the closed palace doors. PO Wait a second! Hello? Uh...I think there's been a slight mistake. Everyone seems to think that I'm, uh... Po finally realizes where he is. PO (CONT'D) Whoa. The Sacred Hall of Warriors. No way! Would you look at this place! He rushes up to a display of armor. PO (CONT'D) (GASP) Master Flying Rhino's Armor! With authentic battle damage! He rushes up to a green sword, making sure not to touch it. PO (CONT'D) (GASP) The Sword of Heroes! Said to be so sharp you can cut yourself just by looking-- OW! He stares at a black sopt on the wall. 25. PO (CONT'D) (GASP) The Invisible Trident of Destiny!? He admires a painting. PO (CONT'D) (GASP) I've only seen paintings of that painting... Po runs around the room, amazed by all the ancient kung fu artifacts. Something special catches Po's eye. PO (CONT'D) (loudly) Nooo! Ohhhh! He runs over to it. PO (CONT'D) The legendary Urn of Whispering Warriors! Said to contain the souls of the entire Tenshu army. (calling into vase) Hellooo? SHIFU Have you finished sight-seeing? Po GASPS. PO (to vase) Sorry. I should've come to see you first. SHIFU My patience is wearing thin. PO (to vase) Oh. Well, I mean, it's not like you were going anywhere. SHIFU Would you turn around? PO Sure. Po turns and sees Shifu. 26. PO (CONT'D) Hey, how's it going? Po turns back to the vase. PO (CONT'D) (to vase) Now how do you get five thousand-- (cutting himself off) Master Shifu! Po bumps the vase which falls and BREAKS. PO (CONT'D) Someone...broke that. But I'm gonna fix it. Do you have some glue? The vase debris screams as Po tries to pick up the pieces. PO (CONT'D) Ow! Ooh. Splinter. Po fumbles around. Shifu looks irked. SHIFU So you're the legendary Dragon Warrior. Hmmm? PO Uh...I guess so? Shifu smiles and shakes his head. SHIFU Wrong! You are not the Dragon Warrior. You will never be the Dragon Warrior until you have learned the secret of the Dragon Scroll. He points to a dragon on the ceiling with a single scroll in its mouth. PO (in awe) Whoa. (then) So how does this work? You have a ladder or trampoline or...? SHIFU You think it's that easy? That I am just going to hand you the secret to limitless power? 27. PO No, I... SHIFU One must first master the highest level of kung fu. And that is clearly impossible if that one is someone like you. PO Someone like me? Shifu walks around Po - pointing out his weaknesses. SHIFU Yes. Look at you...this fat butt. Shifu HITS Po on the butt with his staff. SHIFU (CONT'D) Flabby arms... PO Those are sensitive in the flabby parts. Shifu SWATS Po on the arm with his staff. SHIFU And this ridiculous belly. Shifu HITS Po in the belly with his staff. PO Hey... SHIFU --and utter disregard for personal hygiene. PO (pointing at Shifu) Now wait a minute. That's a little uncalled-for. SHIFU Don't stand that close...I can smell your breath. PO Listen...Oogway said that I was the- Shifu pinches Po's outstretched digit. 28. PO (CONT'D) (gasp) The Wuxi Finger Hold?! Not the Wuxi Finger Hold! SHIFU (sly) Oh, you know this hold? PO DevelopedbyMasterWuxiInTheThirdDyna sty-- YES. SHIFU Oh, then you must know what happens when I flex my pinky. Po nervously eyes his finger locked in Shifu's grip and nods quickly. PO No no no! SHIFU You know the hardest part of this? The hardest part is cleaning up afterwards... PO Okay! Okay! Take it easy... SHIFU Now listen closely, panda. Oogway may have picked you, but when I'm through with you, I promise you, you're going to wish he hadn't. Are we clear? PO Yeah, we're clear. We're clear. We are so clear. SHIFU Good. I can't wait to get started. INT. TRAINING HALL The doors open, revealing Po nursing his wounded finger. Shifu steps out of the way and Po's face goes into shock. The Five are performing death-defying kung fu moves in the training hall. Tigress smashes a swinging, spiked ball of wood. ANGLE ON AN AWESTRUCK PO, as shards of wood blast into his face. Po is intimidated and overwhelmed. 29. Shifu scowls at Po. SHIFU Let's begin. He gestures to the gauntlet. Po's eyes go wide. PO Wait wait wait...What? Now? SHIFU Yes...now. Unless you think the great Oogway was wrong, and you are not the Dragon Warrior. PO Oh, okay. Well-- I don't know if I can do all of those moves. Shifu walks away and Po half-heartedly follows. SHIFU Well, if we don't try, we'll never know will we? PO Uh, yeah. It's just, maybe we can find something more suited to my level. SHIFU And what level is that? PO Well, ya know...I'm not a master, but uh, let's just start at zero, level zero. SHIFU There is no such thing as level zero. PO Hey! Maybe I can start with that. Po points at a rather friendly-looking dummy. SHIFU That? We use that for training children. And for propping the door open when it's hot. But if you insist... Relieved, Po turns to the dummy. The Five gather around him. 30. PO Whoa. The Furious Five. You're so much bigger than your action figures -- except for you, Mantis. You're about the same. Mantis gives him a look. SHIFU Go ahead, panda. Show us what you can do. PO Um, are they gonna watch? Or should I just wait until they get back to work or something... SHIFU Hit it. PO Ok. I mean, I just ate. So I'm still digesting... So my kung fu might not be as good as later on. SHIFU Just hit it. Po psyches himself up, doing some Jack Fu. PO Alright. Whatcha got? You got nothing cause I got it right here. You picking on my friends? Get ready to feel the thunder. I'm comin' at him with the crazy feet. Whatcha gonna do about my crazy feet? I'm a blur. I'm a blur. You never seen bear style, you only seen praying Mantis! OR... I could come at you Monkey style. OR... I'm comin' at ya snikity-snake. Shifu and the Five stare at Po, perplexed. SHIFU Would you hit it! PO Alright...alright. Po lightly hits the dummy and it rocks back into place. 31. SHIFU Why don't you try again? A little harder... Po punches it again, knocking it all the way backwards. He turns to Shifu, smug. PO How's tha-- WHAP! The dummy rights itself and smacks Po. Totally dazed, Po trips and stumbles his way through the obstacle course. The Five instinctively step forward to help Po, but Shifu holds up his hand to stop them. BACK ON PO PO (CONT'D) Ow, that hurts. A spiky tethered ball sends Po flying into the jade turtle exercise, where it rattles him around. SHIFU (to the Five) This'll be easier than I thought. Back to Po in the turtle bowl. PO Feeling a little nauseous. The turtle spills him out and he stumbles into the army of wooden dummies. PO (CONT'D) Ow, those are hard! Ooh! I think I... The last dummy whaps him in the crotch and everything becomes still. PO (CONT'D) Oooohoohoo...my tenders. He struggles to get on his feet, takes one step and reaches out to a dummy arm...and immediately gets pummeled all over again. Po comes out the other side battered and bruised and finds he is standing on the floor that shoots out bursts of flame. We see reflections of fire on the Five and Shifu as Po gets singed. He comes crawling into frame. 32. PO (CONT'D) How did I do? SHIFU There is now a level zero. CUT TO: EXT. BUNKHOUSE - NIGHT The Five are walking to the bunkhouse, which sits high on a hill. MANTIS There's no words. CRANE No denying that. VIPER I don't understand what Master Oogway was thinking. The poor guy's just gonna get himself killed. CRANE (mocking) He is so mighty! The Dragon Warrior fell out of the sky on a ball of fire. MANTIS When he walks, the very ground shakes! TIGRESS One would think that Master Oogway would choose someone who actually knew Kung Fu. CRANE Yeah, or could at least touch his toes. MONKEY Or even see his toes. As the others walk off, we reveal Po, who unbeknownst to them has been walking behind them this whole time, hearing everything. He attempts to look at his toes but just sees gut. He lifts up his stomach, leans forward... leans... leans... and falls over. 33. He gets up and watches them go inside. He sighs. INT. BUNKHOUSE Po peeks around the corner. PO Okay. He tip-toes into the hall. SQUEAK. The floorboards strain beneath him. SQUEAK. PO (CONT'D) (whispering) Great. Po takes a gentle step. CRE-E-E-A-AA--CHUNK! Po's foot goes through the floor. Po tries to recover. SQUEAK-SQUEAK-SQUEAK! THUNK! Po rolls his ankle and stumbles through a bedroom door. Crane is staring back at him. PO (CONT'D) Oh hey...hi. You're up. CRANE Am now. PO I was just uh... Some day huh? That kung fu stuff is hard work, right? Your biceps sore? Crane looks at his wing. CRANE Um...I've had a long and rather disappointing day, so uh...yeah, I should probably get to sleep now. PO Yeah yeah yeah, of course. CRANE (relieved) Okay, thanks. PO It's just...I'm such a big fan. 34. CRANE Oop. PO You guys were totally amazing at the Battle of Weeping River. Outnumbered a thousand to one, but you didn't stop, and then you just... HI-YAH! Po does a spastic series of Kung Fu moves. We hear a RIP, and reveal that he's kicked his foot through the paper wall. PO (CONT'D) Ooo, sorry about that. CRANE Look, you don't belong here. Po looks stung to be hearing this from one of his heroes. PO I know. I know. You're right. I just - my whole life I've dreamed of- Crane stops Po before he embarrasses himself even more. CRANE No no no... I meant you don't belong here. I mean, in this room. This is my room. Property of Crane. Po is mortified, but covers. PO Oh, okay. Right right. Yeah, you want to get to sleep. CRANE Yeah. PO I'm keepin' you up. We got big things tomorrow. Alright. You're awesome. Last thing I'm gonna say. Okay. Bye bye. Po shuts the door. Crane sighs. The door flies open. Po enters with an eager smile. PO (CONT'D) What was that? 35. CRANE I didn't say anything. PO Okay. Alright. Goodnight. Sleep well. Po backs out into the hall and closes the door. PO (CONT'D) Seemed a little bit awkward. Po turns and walks down the hall to find a vacant room. CREAK- CREAK. Tigress opens the door behind him. Po winces. PO (CONT'D) Master Tigress! Didn't mean to wake you. Just uh... TIGRESS You don't belong here. PO Uh, yeah, yeah. Of course. This is your room. TIGRESS I mean...you don't belong in the Jade Palace. You're a disgrace to Kung Fu, and if you have any respect for who we are and what we do, you will be gone by morning. She closes the door on Po, who slumps sadly. PO Big fan... EXT. JADE PALACE - NIGHT A dejected Po stands under a peach tree in the moonlight. Oogway approaches. OOGWAY I see you have found the Sacred Peach Tree of Heavenly Wisdom. Po spins around, his face dripping with peach juice. 36. PO (mouth full) Is that what this is? I am so sorry. I thought it was just a regular peach tree. OOGWAY I understand. You eat when you are upset. PO Upset? I'm not upset. What makes you think I'm upset? OOGWAY So why are you upset? Po sighs, there's no use trying to lie to Oogway. PO I probably sucked more today than anyone in the history of kung fu, in the history of China, in the history of sucking. OOGWAY Probably. PO And the Five... man, you should have seen them, they totally hate me. OOGWAY Totally. PO How's Shifu ever going to turn me into the Dragon Warrior? I mean, I'm not like The Five. I've got no claws, no wings, no venom. Even Mantis has those... (he imitates a mantis' front legs) ...thingies. Maybe I should just quit and go back to making noodles. OOGWAY Quit, don't quit. Noodles, don't noodles. Po looks confused. 37. OOGWAY (CONT'D) You are too concerned with what was and what will be. There is a saying: Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the present. Oogway hits the tree with his staff as he walks away and a peach falls into Po's open hand. INT. PRISON -- NIGHT Using the goose's feather to pick the lock, Tai Lung BURSTS free from his armor. An ALARM RINGS OUT! The Commander runs to the ledge, the Goose right behind him. ZENG What's happening?! The Goose looks over the edge and sees Tai Lung at the bottom of the pit. Tai Lung struggles with his shackles. COMMANDER Fire Crossbows! Tai Lung uses the incoming spears to break his shackles and then manages to kick the spears back up into the walls, creating a makeshift staircase. ZENG Tai Lung is free! I must warn Shifu! The Commander shuts the Goose up. COMMANDER You're not going anywhere. And neither is he. ZENG Let go of me! COMMANDER (to guards) Bring it up! 38. The winch turns and the elevator starts to rise. A rhino guard tries to reach it, but just misses. RHINO GUARD #1 Wait! Bring it back! ZENG He's coming this way! COMMANDER He won't get far. (to guards) Archers! Leaping across the spears, Tai Lung catches the elevator as the volley of arrows flies down past him. The guards cut the rope and the elevator crashes back down to the bottom of the pit. Tai Lung swings up from the bottom of the elevator house and catches the guards by surprise. He grabs the chain and jumps over the edge and swings around, launching himself up to the next tier, disappearing into the shadows. Tai Lung lands on a bridge, fights his way through, finally reaching the top tier where the Commander and the rest of the Rhino army await. ZENG We're dead. So very, very dead. The Commander hushes the Goose. COMMANDER (to Goose) Heh heh...not yet we're not! Now! Archers set off charges on the ceiling. Massive stalactites crash down and the bridge begins to crumble. Tai Lung leaps across the crumbling debris and attempts one last huge jump towards the Commander. But he falls short, claws scraping and sparking against the rock wall. The Commander laughs maniacally. On his way down, Tai Lung looks up and sees a fuse burning down to the last group of explosives. He leaps across the raining debris up to the ceiling of the cavern. Grabbing a hold of the dynamite, Tai Lung falls and slings it ahead of him at the guards. ZENG Can we run now? 39. COMMANDER Yes. EXT. PRISON KA-THOOM! The door blasts open and Rhinos go flying everywhere. WHUMP. The Goose hits the ground. The commander's horn prosthetic falls in front of him. ZENG Nuuu... Urggg... Tai Lung picks up the Goose by the throat. ZENG (CONT'D) URRK! TAI LUNG I'm glad Shifu sent you. I was beginning to think I had been forgotten. With a creepy tenderness, Tai Lung smooths the Goose's ruffled feathers. TAI LUNG (CONT'D) Fly back there and tell them...the real Dragon Warrior is coming home. Tai Lung throws the Goose into the air and he flutters off. Lightning strikes. CUT TO: EXT. BUNKHOUSE - MORNING CLOSE-UP of a gong being struck. INT. BUNKHOUSE - CONTINUOUS Shifu enters the hallway of the bunkhouse. The Five burst out of their rooms and land, ready for inspection. FURIOUS FIVE Good morning master! One door remains closed. 40. SHIFU Panda! Panda, wake up! He slides open Po's door. The room is empty. SHIFU (CONT'D) (satisfied) Hmm. He's quit. EXT. TRAINING HALL - MOMENTS LATER Shifu walks with a bit more energy. VIPER What do we do now, Master? With the panda gone, who will be the Dragon Warrior? SHIFU All we can do is resume our training and trust that in time, the true Dragon Warrior will be revealed. INT. JADE PALACE - MOMENTS LATER Shifu enters the training hall, only to find himself face-to- face with Po's butt. Shifu and the Five are taken aback. SHIFU What are you doing here?! Reveal Po is in the middle of the floor, his legs spread wide apart. Po looks back over his shoulder to see Shifu and the Five enter the hall. PO Hey! Huh... Good morning, Master! I thought I'd warm up a little. SHIFU You're stuck. PO Stuck?! Whaa? Pfft... stuck... Yeah, I'm stuck. SHIFU (to Crane) Help him. Crane approaches Po. 41. CRANE Oh dear. Crane gingerly grabs Po's waistband and attempts to pull him up by flapping his wings. PO Maybe on three. One. Two- Crane pulls him up and Po flops onto his back. PO (CONT'D) Threeeee. Thank you. CRANE Don't mention it. PO No really, I appreci-- CRANE --EVER. SHIFU You actually thought you could learn to do a full split in one night? It takes years to develop one's flexibility and years longer to apply it in combat. Shifu flings two boards into the air. Instantly, Tigress leaps up and executes a perfect split kick. Po is awestruck. As Tigress lands, the broken chunks of board land all around Po, knocking him on the head. Po collects a piece of splintered board as a souvenir. Shifu notices and steps forward. SHIFU (CONT'D) Put that down! The only souvenirs we collect here are bloody knuckles and broken bones. PO Yeah, excellent! He laughs excitedly and salutes Shifu. SHIFU Let's get started. CUT TO: 42. MONTAGE Shifu snaps his fingers. Viper and Po face off. VIPER Are you ready? PO I was born ready-- Viper lashes her tail around Po's wrist, wrenches his arm back, flings him into the air and brings him crashing back down on his head. PO (CONT'D) Eaghhh... VIPER I'm sorry, brother! I thought you said you were ready! PO That was awesome! Let's go again. (salutes) Shifu snaps. Monkey twirls a bamboo staff. He lunges at Po who takes a comical beating. Shifu snaps. Po and Crane prepare to spar atop the turtle bowl. CRASH. Po falls in and is tossed around like a sack of soup. Shifu snaps. We see a series of shots of Po falling on his face at the hands of some invisible opponent, who turns out to be... Mantis. Shifu smiles. Flat on his back, Po manages a salute. Shifu has had it. SHIFU I've been taking it easy on you, panda, but no more! Your next opponent... will be me. Po looks excited. PO Alright! Let's go! 43. The Five exchange worried looks. SHIFU (to Po) Step forth. Po doesn't even finish the step as Shifu whirls him around and throws him to the floor pinning his arm behind him. SHIFU (CONT'D) The true path to victory is to find your opponent's weakness and make him suffer for it. PO (delighted) Oh, yeah! Shifu whips Po around again. SHIFU To take his strength and use it against him. Again, this time Shifu holds Po by the nose. SHIFU (CONT'D) --until he finally falls, or quits. Po is totally inspired. PO But a real warrior never quits. Don't worry, Master, I will never quit! At his breaking point, Shifu flings Po into the air and then leaps at him with a flying kick. CUT TO: EXT. TRAINING HALL - CONTINUOUS Po crashes out of the door and tumbles down the steps. The Five watch him fall. TIGRESS If he's smart, he won't come back up those steps. MONKEY But he will. 44. VIPER He's not gonna quit, is he? MANTIS He's not gonna quit bouncin', I'll tell ya that. Cut WIDE as Po continues to tumble. INT. BUNKHOUSE - EVENING Close on Po, who grimaces. PO (O.S.) Aaaoo...whoohoo...EEEee...hee- hee... I thought you said acupuncture would make me feel better. Mantis pops up from behind Po holding a handful of needles and sticks Po again. MANTIS Trust me, it will. It's just not easy finding the right nerve points under all this-- PO Fat? MANTIS Fur, I was gonna say fur. PO Sure you were. MANTIS Who am I to judge a warrior based on his size? I mean -- look at me. Po looks for Mantis... MANTIS (O.C.) (CONT'D) I'm over here. ...But Mantis is now on his other shoulder. He jabs another needle into Po. PO Ow! 45. VIPER Maybe you should take a look at this again. Viper is holding a diagram of acupuncture meridians (onto which someone has overlaid a drawing of a panda.) MANTIS (re: diagram) Oh! Okay. Quick cuts to Monkey meditating in his room and Crane doing calligraphy in his. Po's yelps distract them. PO Ow! Don't... (laughing) Stop it, stop-- Yow! I know Master Shifu's trying to inspire me and all, but if I didn't know any better, I'd say he was trying to get rid of me. Po chuckles. The others look at each other and chuckle awkwardly. MANTIS I know he can seem kind of heartless-- He violently jabs another needle in Po. MANTIS (CONT'D) But, ya know, he wasn't always like that. VIPER According to legend, there was once a time when Master Shifu actually used to smile. PO No. MANTIS Yes. Cut to Tigress out in the hallway. She can hear them talking. VIPER But that was before... PO Before what? 46. Tigress enters. TIGRESS Before Tai Lung. Crane's shadow is silhouetted on the wall. CRANE Uh yeah, we're not really supposed to talk about him. TIGRESS Well, if he's going to stay here, he should know. PO (trying to ease the tension) Guys, guys. I know about Tai Lung. Tigress turns to Po. PO (CONT'D) He was a student, the first ever to master the thousand... Tigress approaches Po and leans in towards him. PO (CONT'D) (nervously trailing off) ...scrolls of... kung fu... and... then he turned bad... and now he's in jail. Tigress shakes her head at the panda's ignorance. TIGRESS He wasn't just a student. DISSOLVE TO: EXT. TRAINING HALL FLASHBACK. Shifu peeks out of the Training Hall and finds a baby leopard cub on the steps. TIGRESS (V.O.) Shifu found him as a cub. And he raised him as a son. Baby Tai Lung pulls on Shifu's whiskers. 47. TIGRESS (V.O.) (CONT'D) ...and when the boy showed talent in Kung Fu... Baby Tai Lung punches the training dummy across the floor. TIGRESS (V.O.) (CONT'D) ...Shifu trained him. Shifu teaches Baby Tai Lung how to punch. TIGRESS (V.O.) (CONT'D) He believed in him. He told him he was destined for greatness. Hard cut to a full-grown Tai Lung demolishing a training dummy. TIGRESS (V.O.) (CONT'D) It was never enough for Tai Lung. He wanted the Dragon Scroll. But Oogway saw darkness in his heart and refused. Outraged, Tai Lung laid waste to the valley. He tried to take the scroll by force. And Shifu had to destroy what he had created. Tai Lung ransacks a village on his way up to the Jade Palace. He crashes through the doors, running towards a waiting Shifu and Oogway. Shifu leaps at Tai Lung to deliver a kick. TIGRESS (V.O.) (CONT'D) But how could he? Seeing only baby Tai Lung running towards him, Shifu pulls his kick short. Tai Lung counters with a devastating strike and Shifu crashes to the ground holding his broken leg. Tai Lung leaps for the scroll, but Oogway stops him with strikes at his pressure points. He falls to the ground in a heap. TIGRESS (V.O.) (CONT'D) Shifu loved Tai Lung like he'd never loved anyone before... Young Tigress in the training hall strikes the dummy in the same manner as Tai Lung. Shifu corrects her form. Nothing more. Young Tigress looks crestfallen. 48. TIGRESS (V.O.) (CONT'D) ...or since. The sad, young Tigress cross-dissolves to adult Tigress. INT. BUNKHOUSE - EVENING Everyone is quiet in the moment. TIGRESS And now he has a chance to make things right, to train the true Dragon Warrior. And he's stuck with you: a big, fat panda who treats it like a joke. Po makes a googly-eyed face. PO Doieeeee... TIGRESS (charging at Po) Oh! That is it! Mantis pops up and halts Tigress. MANTIS Wait! My fault! I accidentally tweaked his facial nerve. Po falls face first to the floor, revealing his back is covered with needles. MANTIS (CONT'D) And may have also stopped his heart. INT. TRAINING HALL - NIGHT Shifu is sitting in meditation, fidgeting incessantly. SHIFU Inner peace. Inner peace. Inner peace. He finally opens one eye. SHIFU (CONT'D) Would whoever is making that flapping sound, quiet down! 49. Satisfied with the silence, Shifu nods and resumes his meditation. SHIFU (CONT'D) Inner... BOOM. Zeng drops in from the ceiling. SHIFU (CONT'D) Oh, Zeng. Excellent. I could use some good news right now. ZENG Uh... CUT TO: EXT. JADE PALACE GROUNDS - EVENING Oogway stands under the peach tree, deep in thought. Shifu rushes in, emerging from the mist, extremely agitated. SHIFU Master! Master! OOGWAY Hmmm? SHIFU (out of breath) I have-- it's-- it's very bad news. OOGWAY Ah, Shifu. There is just news. There is no good or bad. SHIFU Master, your vision...your vision was right. Tai Lung has broken out of prison. He's on his way! OOGWAY That is bad news... He turns to face Shifu and stares at him, eyebrow raised. OOGWAY (CONT'D) ...If you do not believe that the Dragon Warrior can stop him. SHIFU The panda? Master, that panda is not the Dragon Warrior. (MORE) 50. SHIFU (CONT'D) He wasn't even meant to be here -- it was an accident! OOGWAY There are no accidents. SHIFU Yes, I know. You've said that already. Twice. OOGWAY Well, that was no accident either. SHIFU Thrice. OOGWAY My old friend, the panda will never fulfill his destiny, nor you yours, until you let go of the illusion of control. SHIFU Illusion? OOGWAY Yeah. Look at this tree, Shifu. I cannot make it blossom when it suits me, nor make it bear fruit before its time. SHIFU But there are things we can control. Shifu kicks the tree and a peach falls to his feet. SHIFU (CONT'D) I can control when the fruit will fall. A peach falls on his head and Oogway chuckles. Shifu tosses the peach in the air, leaps up, and splits it with a chop. SHIFU (CONT'D) And I can control-- Shifu punches the ground, creating a hole and places the seed in it. SHIFU (CONT'D) --where to plant the seed. That is no illusion, Master. 51. OOGWAY Ah, yes. But no matter what you do, that seed will grow to be a peach tree. You may wish for an apple, or an orange... but you will get a peach. SHIFU But a peach cannot defeat Tai Lung! OOGWAY Maybe it can. If you are willing to guide it, to nurture it. To believe in it. Oogway covers the seed with dirt. SHIFU But how? How? I need your help, Master. OOGWAY No, you just need to believe. Promise me, Shifu. Promise me you will believe. SHIFU I... I will try. Oogway smiles, then glances up at the sky, then back down to Shifu. OOGWAY Good. My time has come. You must continue your journey without me. He hands his staff to a confused Shifu. SHIFU What... what are you..? Oogway backs away into the swirling fog. SHIFU (CONT'D) Master, you can't leave me! The petals surround Oogway as he approaches the cliff's edge. OOGWAY You must believe. SHIFU Master! 52. Shifu runs after him. Oogway is engulfed by peach blossoms. As the winds settle, Shifu is revealed standing at the edge of a cliff. Oogway is gone. We pan across to the bunkhouse. PO (O.S.) ...So I'm like, fine, you may be a wolf, you may be the scariest bandit in Haijin Province... INT. KITCHEN -- NIGHT Reveal Po is cooking for the Five. He chops some veggies mid- air. PO ...but you're a lousy tipper. CRANE (incredulous) Really? So... how'd you get out of there alive? PO I mean, I didn't actually say that, but I thought it... in my mind. Po flips some bowls and expertly lines them up on his arm. He ladles soup into them. PO (CONT'D) (covering) If he... could read my mind, he'd have been like, "What?" (then) Order up! Po looks around expectantly and the Five (minus Tigress) dig in. PO (CONT'D) Hope you like it. MANTIS This is really good. PO (bashful) No, c'mon. (MORE) 53. PO (CONT'D) You should try my dad's secret ingredient soup. He actually knows the secret ingredient. VIPER What are you talking about? This is amazing. CRANE Wow, you're a really good cook. MANTIS I wish my mouth was bigger. The others laugh. But not Tigress. MONKEY Tigress, you gotta try this. Tigress looks up from her meal. TIGRESS It is said that the Dragon Warrior can survive for months at a time on nothing but the dew of a single gingko leaf and the energy of the universe. On the others for a beat. Then Po shrugs. PO I guess my body doesn't know it's the Dragon Warrior yet. I'm gonna need a lot more than dew. And, uh, universe juice. Po laughs. He picks up his bowl and takes a giant gulp. When he lowers the bowl, we see a noodle hanging from his face -- it looks like a moustache. Mantis snickers. PO (CONT'D) What? MANTIS Oh, nothing... Master Shifu! The rest start laughing. Po realizes he's wearing a noodle moustache. He plays it up. 54. PO (imitating Shifu) You will never be the Dragon Warrior, unless you lose five hundred pounds and brush your teeth! The Five LAUGH. PO (CONT'D) (imitating Shifu) What is that noise you're making? Laughter? I never heard of it! The Five keep LAUGHING. Po reaches over and grabs two empty bowls and holds them up like ears. PO (CONT'D) (imitating Shifu) Work hard, Panda. And maybe, someday... you will have ears like mine. As the rest of the Five laugh, Tigress sneaks a moment to smell Po's soup. Leaning towards the bowl, she suddenly looks up and stops. The Five also look up and stop laughing. Reveal Shifu has entered behind Po. He is holding Oogway's staff. PO (CONT'D) (normal) Ears. It's not working for you? I thought they were pretty good. Po looks at the stone-faced Five. Tigress jumps to her feet. MONKEY It's Shifu. PO Of course it's Shifu. What do you think I'm doing? He finally notices Shifu standing there, doing a slow burn. Embarrassed, he places the soup bowls on his chest like a bra. PO (CONT'D) Ooh! Master Shifu! Po slurps up the noodle moustache. Monkey can't help but snicker. 55. SHIFU You think this is funny? Tai Lung has escaped from prison and you're acting like children! PO What? SHIFU He is coming for the Dragon Scroll, and you are the only one who can stop him. The bowls fall off. A beat as this sinks in... then Po starts to laugh. PO And here I am saying you got no sense of humor. I'm gonna stop Tai... Shifu just stares at him, deadly serious. PO (CONT'D) What? You're serious? And I have to-- uh, Master Oogway will stop him! He did it before, he'll do it again. SHIFU Oogway cannot, not anymore. They notice Shifu holding Oogway's staff. They know what this means. They are saddened by the news. SHIFU (CONT'D) Our only hope is the Dragon Warrior. TIGRESS The panda? SHIFU Yes, the panda! TIGRESS Master, please. Let us stop Tai Lung. This is what you've trained us for. SHIFU No! It is not your destiny to defeat Tai Lung. It is his. He dramatically points at Po... but Po is gone. 56. SHIFU (CONT'D) Where'd he go? Shifu throws up his hands in frustration and heads after Po. CUT TO: EXT. BUNKHOUSE � DAY Super wide shot as Po runs away from the compound. Closer as he continues running. He checks over his shoulder, turns back... Shifu lands right in front of him. SHIFU You cannot leave! A real warrior never quits! PO Watch me! He tries to maneuver around Shifu, but is redirected back. PO (CONT'D) Come on! How am I supposed to beat Tai Lung? I can't even beat you to the stairs. SHIFU You will beat him because you are the Dragon Warrior! He pushes Po back with the staff. PO Ow! You don't believe that! You never believed that! From the first moment I got here, you've been trying to get rid of me. Shifu pokes him again, this time causing Po to fall on his back. SHIFU Yes. I was. But now I ask you to trust in your master as I have come to trust in mine. PO You're not my master. And I'm not the Dragon Warrior. Po shoves the staff away and gets up. 57. SHIFU Then why didn't you quit? You knew I was trying to get rid of you, and yet you stayed. PO Yeah, I stayed. I stayed because every time you threw a brick at my head or said I smelled, it hurt. But it could never hurt more than it did every day of my life just being me. Po looks down at the Valley, then turns back to Shifu. PO (CONT'D) I stayed because I thought if anyone could change me, could make me... not me, it was you. The greatest kung fu teacher in all of China. SHIFU But I can change you! I can turn you into the Dragon Warrior! And I will! PO C'mon, Tai Lung is on his way here right now. And even if it takes him a hundred years to get here, how are you gonna change this... (indicate belly) ...into the Dragon Warrior? How? How? How?! In frustration, Shifu yells out the answer. SHIFU I don't know!!! (then, resigned) I don't know. PO That's what I thought. Shifu walks away, leaving the path open to Po. EXT. JADE PALACE - NIGHT Tigress stands in the moonlight outside the palace. She has seen what just transpired between Shifu and Po. 58. She turns away, a look of resolve on her face... and LEAPS. She flies through the air, finally landing on a rooftop in the valley below. She looks back up at the palace. TIGRESS This is what you trained me for. She takes off running. The other four are right behind her. VIPER Tigress! She keeps going and they give chase. TIGRESS Don't try and stop me! The chase continues through the village. VIPER We're not trying to stop you! TIGRESS What? VIPER We're coming with you! Then...the others join her. Tigress smiles. They leap off into the night. EXT. JADE PALACE - EVENING Night dissolves to dawn. Shifu sits under the peach tree. He stirs, hearing KUNG FU NOISES from the training hall. He goes to investigate. CUT TO: INT. TRAINING HALL - DAWN Shifu looks inside -- it's empty. The NOISES continue from somewhere else -- the bunkhouse. CUT TO: 59. INT. KITCHEN - DAWN As Shifu turns the corner he sees Po's shadow as he performs some amazing Kung Fu. Entering the kitchen, Shifu finds Po is stuffing his face with food. Seeing Shifu, he stops mid-munch. In silence they eye each other. Shifu surveys the room -- broken lock, smashed doors, unhinged cabinets. Po belches. PO (mouth full) What? I eat when I'm upset, okay? Shifu gets a glimmer in his eye. He has an idea. SHIFU Oh, no need to explain. I just thought you might be Monkey -- he hides his almond cookies on the top shelf. Shifu calmly exits and hides just outside the doorway, waiting to see if his hunch is correct. KLUMP! KLONK! THUNK! Shifu peeks back inside and finds Po perched atop the high shelves jamming more cookies into his mouth. Po notices Shifu walking back in. PO (mouth full) Don't tell Monkey. He glances back down at Shifu, whose disbelief turns to a wise smile. SHIFU Look at you. PO Yeah, I know. I disgust you. SHIFU No no, I mean... how did you get up there? PO I don't know. I guess I-- I don't know. I was getting a cookie... He looks at the cookie and then can't help but eat it. 60. SHIFU And yet you are ten feet off the ground and have done a perfect split. PO No, this... this is just an accident. He and Po stare at each other for a beat. Then... WHOOMP! Po slips and crashes to the kitchen floor. A cookie rolls over to Shifu. He picks it up. SHIFU There are no accidents. Come with me. EXT. MOUNTAINS - DAWN Shifu leads Po through the mountains. PO I know you're trying to be all mystical and kung fu-y, but could you at least tell me where we're going? Shifu just continues walking. CUT TO: EXT. MOUNTAINS - LATER Shifu is sitting beneath a tree. Winded and wheezing, Po slowly works his way up the hill. Po sets his gear down and looks around. Shifu breathes in the morning mist as Po approaches. PO You dragged me all the way out here for a bath?! Po begins to pat his armpits with water. SHIFU Panda, we do not wash our pits in The Pool of Sacred Tears. Po quickly stops. Realizing. 61. PO (in awe) The pool of... SHIFU This is where Oogway unravelled the mysteries of harmony and focus. This is the birthplace of Kung Fu. The camera cranes up to reveal they are standing on rock shapes that resemble a yin yang symbol. As the camera pulls further out, it pulls back through a vision of Oogway doing Kung Fu moves. FLASH FRAME -- Shifu leaps atop one of the rocks and looks down at Po. SHIFU (CONT'D) Do you want to learn Kung Fu? PO (awestruck) Yeah... SHIFU Then I am your master! PO Okay! Tears of joy well up in Po's eyes. SHIFU Don't cry. PO Okay. Po sniffs the tears back and smiles. EXT. FIELD - LATER Shifu leads Po out into an open field. SHIFU When you focus on Kung Fu, when you concentrate...you stink. Po scowls. 62. SHIFU (CONT'D) But perhaps that is my fault. I cannot train you the way I have trained the Five. I now see that the way to get through to you is with this! Shifu produces a bowl of dumplings. PO Oh great, `cause I'm hungry. SHIFU Good. When you have been trained, you may eat. Let us begin. EXT. FIELD - LATER Po's training unfolds -- deep breathing exercises, balance tests, push ups, sit ups, climbing, etc. Through it all, he never gets to eat, although he does indeed learn kung fu. EXT. CLEARING - A MOMENT LATER Shifu sets a bowl of dumplings on a boulder. SHIFU After you, panda. Po stops short, suspicious. PO Just like that? No situps? No ten mile hike? SHIFU I vowed to train you... and you have been trained. You are free to eat. Po grabs one of the dumplings in his chopsticks. SHIFU (CONT'D) Enjoy. Po raises the dumpling to his mouth. WHOOSH! Shifu snatches the dumpling away and eats it himself. PO Hey! 63. SHIFU I said you are free to eat. Have a dumpling. Po reaches again as Shifu leaps across the table and kicks the dumpling into the air. PO Hey! Shifu eats it and Po scowls. SHIFU You are free to eat! PO (upset) Am I? SHIFU (challenging) Are you?! Po and Shifu ready their chopsticks. Po slams the table and sends the bowl of dumplings airborne. Back and forth, Po and Shifu spar, vying for the dumplings. Until there is only one left. Shifu tries every trick to keep the dumpling away from Po. He hides it underneath one of the bowls. He uses his chopsticks as weapons to smack Po's chopsticks away. He attacks Po with his bamboo staff. But Po skillfully manages to best Shifu for the final dumpling. Shifu smiles. Po has passed the final test. But then Po tosses the dumpling into Shifu's open hand. PO I'm not hungry... master. Master and pupil bow to each other. CUT TO: EXT. MOUNTAIN PASS The Five race toward a rope bridge stretched between mountain peaks. 64. Tai Lung appears at the other end of the bridge. He ROARS and races toward them. TIGRESS Cut it! The others slash at the ropes securing the bridge to the mountain. Tai Lung is almost upon them when Tigress cuts the final rope. But Tai Lung is too close -- Tigress must launch herself into him. The two cats end up in the middle of the bridge just as it starts to tumble into the canyon below. The Five grab support ropes and hold on for dear life. TAI LUNG Where's the Dragon Warrior? TIGRESS How do you know you're not looking at her? Tai Lung laughs. It echoes off the mountain walls. TAI LUNG You think I'm a fool? I know you're not the Dragon Warrior. None of you! The Five exchange quick, worried looks. TAI LUNG (CONT'D) (nodding confidently) I heard how he fell out of the sky on a ball of fire, that he's a warrior unlike anything the world has ever seen. The Five exchange quick, confused looks. MONKEY Po? TAI LUNG So that is his name -- Po. Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary! Tigress charges at him. The battle begins. Tigress punches Tai Lung as he hangs from the bridge. But Tai Lung counters with a maneuver that sends Tigress slamming backwards through the bridge's wooden slats. Then Tigress gets choked by the bridge's ropes. Monkey turns to Crane and Viper. MONKEY We've got this. Help her! 65. Viper grabs Tai Lung, which causes him to let go of the ropes. Tigress plummets down into the gorge... but Crane manages to catch her. Viper punches Tai Lung repeatedly with his own fist. Tai Lung manages to get a paw around Viper's "throat". VIPER Monkey! ANGLE ON MANTIS AND MONKEY. Mantis is straining to hold the rope by himself. MANTIS Go! (then) Ack! What was I thinking?! Monkey leaps into action, kicking Tai Lung in the chest and sending him crashing through the slats of the bridge. He gets back to his feet and starts running back to them on a single strand of rope. TIGRESS Mantis! Mantis whips his end of the rope, sending a sine wave shooting toward Tai Lung. The rope whips Tai Lung in the face and he gets tangled up. The Five see their chance. TIGRESS (CONT'D) Now! Working as a team, the Five kick Tai Lung's butt every which way. Tigress finally slashes the last rope holding up Tai Lung. He plummets down... down... disappearing into the mist. Mantis whips his end of the rope, returning his buddies safely to the mountain. The Five look relieved. But the relief is short-lived... Tigress notices that the other end of the bridge is circling the far mountain peak. Her eyes go wide with dread. The rope whips up. But Tai Lung isn't there. With a crash, he suddenly appears behind the Five. TAI LUNG Shifu taught you well... Tai Lung jabs a finger at Monkey, who instantly freezes. TAI LUNG (CONT'D) But he didn't teach you everything. 66. Tai lung lunges toward the rest. EXT. TRAINING HALL - EVENING Shifu and Po walk through the palace courtyard. Po has an easy spring in his step. SHIFU You have done well, Panda. PO Done well? Done well?! I've done awesome! He swings his belly around and knocks Shifu off balance. Shifu staggers back, regaining his dignity. SHIFU The mark of a true hero is humility! After a moment's thought, though, he leans toward Po - SHIFU (CONT'D) But yes...you have done awesome. And he punches him playfully on the arm. Po smiles at him. As they LAUGH, an indistinct figure appears in the clouds behind them. IT'S CRANE! Crane carries the five to the palace grounds, crashing in a heap. PO Huh? Guys? Guys! Po throws his backpack aside and runs over to them. PO (CONT'D) They're dead? No, they're breathing! They're asleep?! No, their eyes are open. Crane struggles to lift his head. CRANE We were no match for his nerve attack. His head collapses to the ground. 67. SHIFU He has gotten stronger. PO Who? Tai Lung? Stronger? Shifu starts freeing the Five. First Viper, then Mantis, then Monkey releases suddenly from his paralysis - MONKEY He's too fast! He delivers a Kung Fu punch to Po's head and then slowly realizes where he is. MONKEY (CONT'D) Sorry, Po. Shifu kneels before Tigress and works to free her. TIGRESS I thought we could stop him. SHIFU He could have killed you. MANTIS Why didn't he? SHIFU So you could come back here and strike fear into our hearts. But it won't work! PO Uh, it might, I mean, a little. I'm pretty scared. SHIFU You can defeat him, panda. PO Are you kidding? If they can't-- They're five masters. I'm just one me. SHIFU But you will have the one thing that no one else does. 68. INT. SCROLL ROOM - MOMENTS LATER CLOSE-UP of the Dragon Scroll. Po stares at Shifu - then looks up at the Scroll. Then back at Shifu - PO You really believe I'm ready? SHIFU You are, Po. They look at each other. This is a big moment. Oogway's staff hangs in a rack surrounded by candles. As Po and The Five stand by, Shifu carries the staff over to the reflecting pool. Shifu bows his head, then, eyes still closed, he raises the staff up above his head. Po and the others watch, expectantly. The peach blossom petals rise in a flickering, spinning cloud up from the pool. The gentle tornado rises up around the ceiling carving that holds the Dragon Scroll. The petals loosen the scroll from the dragon's mouth and it falls. At the last second, Shifu reaches out with the staff to catch the scroll on the end of it. He turns to Po, holding it out. SHIFU (CONT'D) Behold. The Dragon Scroll... It is yours. PO Wait, what happens when I read it? SHIFU No one knows, but legend says you will be able to hear a butterfly's wing-beat. PO Whoa! Really? That's cool. SHIFU Yes. And see light in the deepest cave. You will feel the universe in motion around you. PO Wow! Can I punch through walls? Can I do a quadruple back flip? Will I have invisibility-- SHIFU Focus. Focus. 69. PO Huh? Oh, yeah... yeah. SHIFU Read it, Po, and fulfill your destiny. Read it and become... the Dragon Warrior! PO Whooaa!!! Po takes a deep breath. Then he grasps the tube and tries to pull the top off it. It doesn't budge. He strains at it. PO (CONT'D) It's impossible to open. He strains again. He tries to bite it off... PO (CONT'D) Come on baby. Come on now... Shifu SIGHS and holds out his hand. Po passes him the tube. Shifu pops the end off effortlessly and passes it back to Po. PO (CONT'D) Thank you. I probably loosened it up for you though... Okay, here goes. He glances at the Five. They look on in awe. Monkey gives him the `thumbs up.' Po starts to unroll the scroll, the golden light bathing his face. Across the scroll we see Shifu, excited that he is witness to history... On Po's face as he finishes opening the scroll. Then - PO (CONT'D) AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Shifu looks concerned. The Five look concerned. Po looks utterly terrified. PO (CONT'D) It's blank! SHIFU What? PO Here! Look! 70. Po tries to show Shifu the scroll. Shifu covers his eyes and turns his head away. SHIFU No! I am forbidden to look upon-- But he can't help himself. He takes a peek. Then he GRABS if off Po. He turns it around, then upside down. He closes it and opens it again, astonished. SHIFU (CONT'D) Blank? I don't...I don't understand. Shifu turns away, contemplative. What can this mean? PO Okay. So like, Oogway was just a crazy old turtle after all? SHIFU No. Oogway was wiser than us all. Po sits heavily on the floor, dejected. PO Oh, come on! Face it. He picked me by accident. Of course I'm not the Dragon Warrior. Who am I kidding? The Five don't argue. TIGRESS But who will stop Tai Lung? CRANE He'll destroy everything...and everyone. Shifu puts the scroll back in its container and seals it. He looks oddly calm as he turns around. SHIFU No, evacuate the Valley. You must protect the villagers from Tai Lung's rage. TIGRESS What about you master? SHIFU I will fight him. 71. PO What? SHIFU I can hold him off long enough for everyone to escape. PO But Shifu, he'll kill you. SHIFU Then I will finally have paid for my mistake. The Five and Po look devastated. SHIFU (CONT'D) Listen to me, all of you. It is time for you to continue your journey without me. I am very proud to have been your master. Shifu salutes them and turns away. Po is heartbroken. Crane steps forward and kindly puts a wing around Po, pulling away. Po resists for a moment, then lets the Five lead him off. CUT TO: EXT. VALLEY The Five arrive at the base of the stairs. TIGRESS We've got to get them out safely. Monkey picks up a small child. MONKEY Come, little one. Let's find your mama. TIGRESS Viper, gather the southern farmers. Mantis, the north. Crane, light the way. They split up and begin helping the villagers evacuate. Po is left by himself. He makes his way through the bustling town. 72. JR SHAW (skeptically) Look, it's the Dragon Warrior. Po approaches the Noodle Shop. PO Hey, Dad. PO'S DAD Po! Seeing Po, Po's Dad hurries over and wraps his arms around his son. Po bends down to reciprocate the hug, as Po's dad pulls away, having fastened an apron around Po's waist. PO'S DAD (CONT'D) Good to have you back, son! PO (listlessly) Good to be back. Po's Dad goes back to packing things up. PO'S DAD Let's go Po. So, for our next shop, it's time to face it -- the future of noodles is dice-cut vegetables, no longer slices. Dad starts to walk off, unaware that Po isn't following. PO'S DAD (CONT'D) Also, I was thinking, maybe this time we'll have a kitchen you can actually stand up in. Hmm? You like that? He turns and notices that Po hasn't moved. He walks to Po sympathetically. PO'S DAD (CONT'D) Po, I'm sorry things didn't work out. It just... wasn't meant to be. Po slumps against the cart. PO'S DAD (CONT'D) Po, forget everything else. Your destiny still awaits. We are noodle folk -- broth runs deep through our veins. 73. PO I don't know, Dad. Honestly, sometimes I can't believe I'm actually your son. Dad is taken aback. PO'S DAD Po, I think it's time I told you something I should have told you a long time ago... PO Okay. Dad pauses dramatically. PO'S DAD The secret ingredient of my secret ingredient soup! Po feigns excitement. PO Oh. PO'S DAD C'mere! The secret ingredient is... nothing! PO Huh? PO'S DAD You heard me. Nothing. There is no secret ingredient! PO Wait wait...it's just plain old noodle soup? You don't add some kind of special sauce or something? PO'S DAD Don't have to. To make something special, you just have to believe it's special. Po looks at his father with dawning realization. He picks up the Scroll. For a moment, Po stares at his reflection on the scroll, then he smiles serenely. He gets it now. 74. PO There is no secret ingredient... Po turns back to look at the palace. CUT TO: EXT. JADE PALACE - DAWN At the top of the stairs, Shifu looks upon the Valley, awaiting his fate. With a gust of wind, Tai Lung appears before him. TAI LUNG I have come home, Master. SHIFU This is no longer your home. And I am no longer your master. TAI LUNG Yes. You have a new favorite. So where is this...Po? Did I scare him off? SHIFU This battle is between you and me. TAI LUNG So. That is how it's going to be? SHIFU That is how it must be. They fight. At last. Tai Lung punches Shifu clean through the doors of the Jade Palace. Tai Lung enters. TAI LUNG I rotted in jail for twenty years because of your weakness! SHIFU Obeying your master is not weakness! TAI LUNG You knew I was the Dragon Warrior! You always knew... Dissolve to FLASHBACK. 75. A young Tai Lung looks expectant. Oogway shakes his head. TAI LUNG (V.O.) (CONT'D) But when Oogway said otherwise, what did you do? What did you do?! Tai Lung looks to Shifu who averts his eyes and the past dissolves into the present. TAI LUNG (CONT'D) NOTHING! Shifu takes a Kung Fu stance. SHIFU You were not meant to be the Dragon Warrior! That was not my fault! TAI LUNG NOT YOUR FAULT?! Enraged, Tai Lung knocks over the Kung Fu artifacts and throws them at Shifu. TAI LUNG (CONT'D) WHO FILLED MY HEAD WITH DREAMS?! WHO DROVE ME TO TRAIN UNTIL MY BONES CRACKED?! WHO DENIED ME MY DESTINY?! Shifu dodges each attack. SHIFU It was never my decision to make! Tai Lung pulls Oogway's staff from the shrine. TAI LUNG It is now. They fight. Tai Lung pins Shifu down with the staff. TAI LUNG (CONT'D) Give me the scroll! SHIFU I would rather die. They struggle for a beat until finally, the staff splinters into a hundred pieces. Shifu looks back at the pieces and a flutter of peach tree petals fly by. Caught off guard, Shifu gets kicked by Tai Lung into a column. 76. Shifu climbs the column to the rafters. Tai Lung follows and sends them both crashing through the roof. Lightning flash. Grappling in mid-air, Tai Lung gets his hands around Shifu's throat as they crash back through the roof. They kick apart. Shifu crashes to the floor and lands hard. Tai Lung bounces off the wall and throws a lantern to the floor. Flames go everywhere. Tai Lung's arms are aflame as he charges at Shifu. TAI LUNG All I ever did, I did to make you proud! Tell me how proud you are, Shifu! Tell me! TELL ME! THOOM! A fiery punch sends Shifu skidding across the floor and crashing against the reflecting pool. The flames extinguish and Tai Lung extends his claws. SHIFU (weakly) I have always been proud of you. From the first moment, I've been proud of you. And it was my pride that blinded me. I loved you too much to see what you were becoming. What I was turning you into. I'm... sorry. Tai Lung stops in his tracks. Shifu waits. Tai Lung's expression goes cold. He grabs Shifu by the throat. TAI LUNG I don't want your apology. I want my scroll! He holds Shifu up to the ceiling. Looking up, Tai Lung bristles when he sees the scroll is missing. TAI LUNG (CONT'D) WHAT? WHERE IS IT?! Tai Lung slams Shifu to the floor. SHIFU (weakly) Dragon Warrior has taken scroll halfway across China by now. You will never see that scroll, Tai Lung. Never. Never... 77. Tai Lung is furious. He roars, ready to strike Shifu. Suddenly... PO (O.S.) Hey! Tai Lung turns around to find Po standing in the doorway. PO (CONT'D) (out of breath) Stairs... Tai Lung casts Shifu aside. TAI LUNG Who are you? PO Buddy, I am the Dragon Warrior. (exhales hard) Huhhh... TAI LUNG You?! Him?! (to Shifu) He's a panda. (back to Po) You're a panda. What are you gonna do, big guy? Sit on me? PO Don't tempt me. Haha. No. I'm gonna use this. You want it? Come and get it. Po shows him the Dragon Scroll. From out of nowhere, Tai Lung appears and punches Po across the room, grabbing the scroll knocked from Po's hands. TAI LUNG Finally! Po bounces off a nearby pillar and slams back into Tai Lung, sending him flying into a column. Po puts on a brave face and strikes a pose as Tai Lung recovers and charges. Po turns to run. Tai Lung quickly catches up and they both sail off the Palace steps. Po clings to the scroll as Tai Lung delivers a kick and sends him crashing onto the theater rooftops below. 78. Po rolls down off a tree and uses the recoil to whip back and smash Tai Lung. He briefly skids across the rooftop and comes right back at Po. TAI LUNG (CONT'D) That scroll is mine! Down the Theater steps, Po and Tai Lung grapple for the scroll. Po is oblivious to the effects of crashing down stairs and in slow motion, his voluminous butt presses down on Tai Lung's head. As they crash through the Gateway the scroll is knocked loose. Tai Lung goes for the scroll but Po snatches it away using a noodle lasso. The scroll flies towards him and bounces off his head. Tai Lung leaps for it, but Po grabs his tail and pulls him back down onto a cart which see-saws Po into the air. In mid-air, Po slurps the noodle. Up and over the rooftops, Po lands in a grove of bamboo trees and into a nearby wok shop. The scroll rolls to a stop in the street. As Tai Lung makes his move on the scroll, Po turns the array of overturned woks into a shell game, sliding the woks around to hide the scroll. PO Lightning! Tai Lung knocks the woks away and exposes the scroll as Po uses his bamboo stilts to block Tai Lung. The leopard swipes out the stilts and brings Po down on top of him as the scroll rolls down the steps towards the river. Po gets thrown into a fireworks booth. As Tai Lung chases down the scroll, he turns back to see Po flying through the fireworks-filled sky. Po slams through Tai Lung and crashes into a rock wall. The scroll flies out of his hand and lands in the mouth of an ornamental rooftop dragon. He looks back at Tai Lung, who sees where the scroll has landed. Via the magic of cookie- vision, Po effortlessly scales the building. Tai Lung is shocked. TAI LUNG The scroll has given him power. (then) NOOO0!! He takes a giant leap and kicks the wall. The resulting shockwave collapses the building. 79. Amazingly, Po skips across the falling roof tiles to reach the scroll in mid-air as Tai Lung leaps up behind him and unleashes a punishing blow that sends Po smashing into the ground. As Tai Lung lands, he delivers a final devastating punch. As the dust settles, Tai Lung is looming over Po in the impact crater. TAI LUNG (CONT'D) (out of breath) Finally... oh yes... the power of the Dragon Scroll... is mine! Tai Lung grabs for the scroll and opens it. His face falls. TAI LUNG (CONT'D) It's NOTHING!! Po stirs. PO It's okay. I didn't get it the first time either. TAI LUNG (disbelief) What? Po gets to his feet. PO There is no secret ingredient. It's just you. Tai Lung snarls and lunges at Po. TAI LUNG RRRAAAH! PO AAAAGGGHH! Tai Lung attacks Po's nerve points. But Po begins giggling. PO (CONT'D) Stop! Stop it! I'm gonna pee! Don't! Don't! Tai Lung's nerve attack has no effect on Po. Frustrated, he delivers a double-fisted punch to Po's belly. 80. The shockwave ripples through Po's entire body and Po's arms come back and strike Tai Lung, sending the leopard crashing back into a building. Po looks at his hands, amazed at what he just did. Tai Lung rises from the rubble and runs at Po again. But Po strikes back, using an unorthodox panda-style technique, even getting Tai Lung to chomp down on his own tail. Po gives Tai Lung a butt bump that sends him crashing into a building. Tai Lung emerges and attempts one more lunge at Po. But Po prepares... and Tai Lung is swiftly met by Po's IRON BELLY! He is launched into the air. Po waits... and waits... until finally, Tai Lung appears in the sky and crashes to the ground. Tai Lung is battered, but still defiant. TAI LUNG (heavy breathing) You... can't defeat me. You're just a big, fat panda! SCHWING! Po grabs Tai Lung's finger. Tai Lung's eyes go wide. PO I'm not a big, fat panda. I'm the big, fat panda. Po's pinky pops up. Tai Lung gasps. TAI LUNG The Wuxi Finger Hold! PO Oh, you know this hold? TAI LUNG You're bluffing. You're bluffing! Shifu didn't teach you that. PO Nope. I figured it out. He flexes his pinky... PO (CONT'D) Skadoosh! KA-THOOM! 81. EXT. VALLEY OF PEACE A mushroom cloud appears over the Valley, sweeping past the Furious Five and the fleeing villagers. DISSOLVE TO: EXT. VALLEY SQUARE - A LITTLE LATER Villagers emerge from hiding. Po walks out from the mist looking very much like the warrior from the opening dream. KG SHAW Look! The Dragon Warrior. As he nears, we see that his hat is an upside down wok and his scarf is a torn apron. Villagers CHEER the Dragon Warrior. Po's Dad emerges from the crowd. PO'S DAD That's my boy. That big, lovely kung fu warrior is my son! PO Thanks, Dad. Po hugs his dad. The wok falls off Po's head and rolls on the ground until Mantis appears in frame and stops it. The rest of the Five are with him. Po takes notice. PO (CONT'D) Hey, guys. TIGRESS Master. Tigress bows deeply. The others follow. FURIOUS FIVE Master. PO (modest) Master? (then, remembering) Master Shifu! Po races toward the Jade Palace. He climbs the steps. Then more steps. 82. INT. PALACE - MOMENTS LATER Po arrives breathless at the Jade Palace. Shifu is still lying in the scroll room, his eyes closed. Po rushes to his side. PO Master! Shifu! Shifu! Are you okay? Shifu weakly opens his eyes. SHIFU Po! You're alive! (then, darkly) Or we're both dead. PO No, Master, I didn't die. I defeated Tai Lung! SHIFU You did?! Shifu smiles and shakes his head in disbelief. SHIFU (CONT'D) Wow. It is as Oogway foretold -- You are the Dragon Warrior. You have brought peace to this Valley. And to me. Thank you. Thank you, Po. Thank you... Shifu closes his eyes. He is still. Po starts freaking out. PO No! Master! No No No! Don't die, Shifu. Please... SHIFU (eyes snapping open) I'm not dying, you idiot-- ah, Dragon Warrior. I'm simply at peace. Finally. PO Oh. So, um, I should...stop talking? SHIFU If you can. Po nods reverently as Shifu closes his eyes again. Master and pupil lie next to each other. The camera pulls up and back away from them. Po tries to remain still, but it's hard. 83. He's about to say something, but he stops himself. He fidgets for a beat, then can't control himself any longer. PO Want to get something to eat? SHIFU (sighs) Yeah. IRIS OUT. THE END
I'm writing this paradigm for my dad
He's a parent judge but has judges multiple times before and I have ranted to him about rounds before so he knows some things.
Don't go too fast. Your speed doesn't matter as much as quality, quality > quantity.
Be respectful of your opponents, don't be too loud and don't insult anyone. No racism/sexism/homophobia/etc
Your arguments don't matter, no preconceptions in this round, you can read anything you want with a warrant. Explain more complicated arguments slowly and make it make sense, because my dad won't have any biases.
He sort of flows, but it's more of a note talking, so don't focus too much on the line by line.
Just treat him like a lay in terms of speed and jargon and explanation, but you can run whatever non-discriminative arguments with him that you want to(including things like spark, I confirmed this myself, you just really need to warrant it out and always articulate reasons clearly). Don't forget to weight, slowly and clearly, like you would on a normal lay.
I'm currently a university student studying computer science at the University of Toronto. In high school I debated for 4 years, in PF, CNDF, BP, and Worlds style, and I am currently a coach. I have been judging for almost 4 years now.
On evidence/logic: I will buy logic over evidence in certain cases, and I'm very sympathetic towards logical analysis due to my background in BP/Worlds. If a logical argument is more substantive and is able to explain why a piece of evidence is reasonably flawed/untrue, I will take the logical analysis. When challenged on statistics, teams should be able to defend their numbers by explaining exactly how those numbers were found or what study produced the numbers. For example, if an increase in the capital gains tax leads to a decrease in the size of an economy by 10%, then a team should know exactly how that 10% was measured, and under what conditions it was measured (if challenged).
On argumentation/structure: I'm very standard on structure. Do all the general things: extend arguments and refutations in summary, and weigh in final focus. I strongly value engagement with arguments: directly respond to arguments and responses, and shift the debate to a scope that better reflects the clashes in the debate. Note that I have zero tolerance for bringing up new material in final focus and I will immediately drop teams that do this. I give lots of credit to teams that can weigh effectively, and paint me a clear picture of exactly what their world would look like vs the world of the other team, and characterize the harms on either side. I strongly believe that a team doesn't have to win every single argument in the debate in order to win the round.
Crossfire: I don't flow crossfire, but I will try to remember what was said. If you want me to flow something that transpired in crossfire please mention it during the speech. Example: "during crossfire, our opponent conceded that... "
In general: Treat me as a standard flow judge, but one that accepts logical argumentation and considers it strongly. I am generally non-interventionist in rounds, so I don't have exact speed preferences as I believe that there are times for both fast speaking and slow speaking. Please adjust to your discretion and what you deem to be most effective.
Hello Debaters!
Good for you at checking paradigms.... I judge several different types of debate:
As a communicator, you should be able to adapt to your audience...ie Judge.
Have fun! Debate is a wonderful activity where you can be smart, have fun, and learn at the same time.
Some items I think you should be aware of that I think weakens your presentation:
Being rude, forgetting to tag your cards, not having cards formatted correctly, and not making some kind of eye contact with judge during cross.
DO NOT say please vote for Aff/NEG...your argumentation and evidence should demonstrate your side should win.
Things to help your presentation: Smile, being polite, and organizing your arguments with internal signposting...sharing cards and evidence before using them.
Public Forum- DO NOT PROVIDE AN OFF TIME ROADMAP- I do not need it.
Please have started the email chain and flipped as soon as you can.
include me in the email chain macleodm@friscoisd.org
Or use a speech drop
General Ideas
There is not enough time in PF for effective theory/K to run. I will not vote for you if tricks or theory are your only arguments. I expect the resolution to be debated and there needs to be clash.
I think you should be frontlining offense (turns and disads) in rebuttal. Straight up defense does not need to be frontlined, but I do think it's strategic. Summary to final focus extensions should be consistent for the most part. Overall, the rule of thumb is that the earlier you establish an argument and the more you repeat it, the more likely I will be to vote for it, i.e., it's strategic to weigh in rebuttal too, but it's not a dealbreaker for me if you don't.
To me warrants matter more than impacts. You need both, but please please extend and explain warrants in each speech. Even if it's dropped, I'll be pretty hesitant to vote on an argument if it's not explained in the second half of the round. Also, I have a relatively high standard for what a case extension should look like, so err on the side of caution and just hit me with a full re-explanation of the argument or I probably won't want to vote for you.
The most important thing in debate is comparing your arguments to theirs. This doesn't mean say weighing words like magnitude and poverty and then just extending your impacts, make it actually comparative please.
Technical Debate
I can flow most of the speed in PF, but you shouldn't be sacrificing explanation or clarity for speed.
I will try my best to be "tech over truth", but I am a just a mom of two five year olds and I do have my own thoughts in my head. To that end, my threshold for responses goes down the more extravagant an argument is.
If you want me to call for a piece of evidence, tell me to in final focus please.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask me before the round.
Policy I am a stock issues judge when adjudicating Policy. I am fine with speed/spreading with signposting and roadmaps.
I can't stand the K. Please don't run one. Debate the resolution or run a T argument but very rarely will I vote off case arguments.
Parli/World Schools- Need to see fully developed warrants, impacts and confidence. I love stories and learning new TRUE stuff...
LD- I love debates about Criterion and no neg cases are great if ran with logic, links, and detailed examples. Tell stories. I will buy it if presented professionally and with logic. I need weighing of worlds and chrystalization.
Congress- Please make sure to reference previous representatives speeches and show me you have been flowing and are responding to what has been said in round.
Showing decorum and being polite- like thanking the previous representative always a good thing :)
PLEASE DO NOT ask if I am ready- I am always ready or I will say to please wait.
World Schools- I love the decorum/Parli element and terminology usage. Attacking the premise of arguments, call out logical fallacies, and weigh the worlds please....Make sure to give examples that are not just made up- I know Harvard studies everything, but please refrain from making stuff up.
I do appreciate puns/tasteful humor and use those POI requests and answers strategically.
I competed in Lincoln Douglas and Public Forum for 3 years in high school and have judged a handful of tournaments before.
I am comfortable with whatever arguments/speaking pace you would like to use, I only ask that if you are going to read or do something unusual make sure your opponent can understand well enough to argue back.
I usually give out speaker points generously unless you are rude or abusive in which case I will lower speaker points accordingly.
I have been coaching debate since 1983. I was a policy debate coach and judge for 30+ years. In 2012, I started coaching Public Forum debate. I vote on clear impact calculus, politeness, clarity in speaking style and well cited sources. One of the reasons I left policy is because it became a ridiculous spewing of words much too fast for anyone who was not familiar with the evidence to understand.I prefer debaters who tell a "good story" rather than give me a bunch of numbers and blippy arguments. I am looking for real debate in conversational speeches in the round.
I believe crossfire should be where debaters clarify and explain. Answering questions so that we can look at the arguments and evidence honestly is important. Any kind of rude behavior in crossfire could very well lose you the round if I am the judge. I'm looking for an exchange of information in crossfire.
I try to go into each round without preconceived opinions, and I try hard not to intervene. I will look for the easiest place to vote in the round, especially if there is not clear impact calculus in the final two speeches.
My email is marshd@dexterschools.org
I am fairly new judge and find myself generally apathetic towards many things, as such I have very few strong opinions about most topics usually covered in these pages.
I debated for 4 years at Dexter High School and currently debate at Wayne State University
At Dexter I read exclusively traditional policy affs and at Wayne both traditional policy aff and more left affs.
I may make faces during the round that may either mean that I am not a fan of what you are doing or I am tired and cursing myself for getting out of bed that morning. Regardless don't let that deter you from "doin' you."
Short version:
Do whatever you want (there are exceptions dictated below), explain it well, tech over truth, and if both sides have similar qualities of evidence I default to spin.
Longer version:
As an important note to begin that while these opinions may influence how I perceive and think about the round, they are not the end of the discussion. I will do my best to evaluate the round as it happened based on my flow. Just do whatever it is that you want to do, your goal is to convince me that your line of argumentation is best and that as a result I should vote for you.
I tend to default to an Offense/Defense paradigm due to reasons of laziness, however I tend to think it is not a particularly useful way of thinking about things. A simplified version of what I think may be better is to consider risk. This involves a threshold where I think that sufficient defense can convince that something is just as likely not to happen as it is to happen. Slightly more bluntly, a reasonable to high risk of a non extinction event can outweigh a low to minuscule risk of extinction. This also means that with sufficient defense, a more nebulous ontological impact can outweigh even the aff's "seven extinctions."
Case -
Love big case debates - perhaps my favorite strategy while debating is the super specific case turn or the generic but classic impact turn - these debates show off your research, indepth topic/aff knowledge, and are super clash heavy. Pulling this off successfully is to me very impressive. For the aff - I expect y'all to understand the strategy of your aff - I am sure that you put together the 1ac the way you did for a reason, now use it throughout the rest of the debate. My single pet peeve on this front is when 2As just read a large block of text to extend their entire 1ac rather than taking the opportunity to point out strategic points like concessions or flow interactions/tricks - unless you are making good strategic arguments or nuances this overview extension is probably just on my flow as "extend 1ac." Other than that I assume that y'all will just be doing whatever it is you normally do so just do it well.
T v. USFG Plan Action -
I have not really judged many rounds where an attempt was made to turn T into a viable strategic option. In the instance that some attempt was made, it has been too surface level. Given that I haven't seen many of these debate really play out, I don't know exactly what I find compelling - I think that the impact portion of the T debate should be handled much like a disad. You have internal links to an impact based on an interpretation of a word/s of the resolution. This is basically always Fairness or Education in some form. K's of T are fine is handled along the lines of my other thoughts on Kritiks. In this instance though a way I am probably more persuaded by an explanation of how the Kritik of their interpretation affects their Fairness and Education claims.
Also here are one of the above exceptions to the "Do whatever you want" rule - NEVER attempt to make T a RVI (you smirk, you laugh, but enough have tried it in front of me that I feel the need to mention this), the aff has the burden to prove that they are topical is the neg brings it up - I am leaning toward the not even requiring negs to answer it - you will lose speaks, end of discussion.
T v. Not USFG Plan Action -
Similar story as above but I tend to err aff as most neg teams seem to be too whiny or simply lack sufficient defense to aff offense - I find that the most compelling args have to do with policy simulation (not roleplay) good and am potentially willing to buy a big fairness push if it moves beyond the usual tagline "but it is unpredictable and makes it impossible to be neg," this will also require that you answer any access arguments the aff may have. Agonism based Framework arguments are also becoming something that I tend to agree with, but I am still trying to organize my thoughts about this.
In the instance that the aff chooses to K the negs interp, I simply ask that you impact it in a way that makes sense for a procedural question of "whether this debate ought to have occurred." (Yes obvious, but again teams have read them and never explained why it actually answers the negs interp).
Ks -
I have begun to enjoy these debates more now that I am out of high school - I still am not a perfect judge for these debates given that I am not super well read in the various literature - I do know some of it, but it would be better if you assume that I don't get it and then explain arguments rather than blast through with buzz words and other jargon. I tend to think that the neg is well suited by using specific parts of the aff speeches and evidence to help their link/impact story. Framework is very important for both sides, I am lazy, so with out it I find that I default to "well extinction is super bad and stuff." I also can be fairly easily convinced that the K doesn't need to prove that it solves all of the real world issues of X but that it is a better understanding of X and proves that the aff doesn't access said good stuff thus the aff should lose.
DAs -
Super awesome - I think the Link and Internal Link are the most important and often under-utilized part of the debate (I have certainly been guilty of this myself). Not much else to say, I think.
CPs -
Also pretty great - I tend to think that most CPs are fine, this however depends on the topic/aff. CPs like Word PICs and the "Do the aff minus 1 person/penny" are also usually stupid/probably illegitimate. Specific literature goes a long way toward proving CP legitimacy in my mind, at least in terms of Consult and Conditions CPs. In terms of other sorts of questionably legitimate CPs I don't really have many thoughts but in general the further away from aff/topic specific literature the more accepting of aff theory/perm legitimacy I become.
In terms of competition I don't have a ton of thoughts assuming for all other intents and purposes that the CP is legitimate. I think that it is burden of the neg to prove a meaningful opportunity cost to voting aff, which means y'all definitely have to win something more than just a nebulous "solves enough of the aff and I guess makes a sad child slight less sad."
Theory -
I think one or two conditional options are acceptable, any more and I am more receptive to theory arguments. This is magnified if they contradict. Most theory arguments are reasons to reject the argument or a justification for some other potentially objectionable argument. However conditionality is always a reason to reject the team, the "reject the arg not the team" is nonsensical to me.
Misc -
I really don't want to be at all responsible for timing anything - time yourselves, be honest, I will be upset if have to find a timer or use my phone's timer (it kind of sucks)
Ethics stuff - less serious, stealing prep, first time it is a warning then it comes out of your prep time (which the other team gets to time) and hurts your speaks - more serious, clipping and the like, I will not tape nor call you out on it. If the other team thinks you clipping they can challenge you on it, I will stop the round and ask for a recording and speech doc to determine the validity of the challenge. If I think that you are clipping (consistent, lines - not just you didn't say a word like "a") you will lose the round and recieve zero speaker points, and vis-versa if I think that you are not clipping.
Offensive actions or language or any other type of harassment will also not be policed by myself but the other team may ask to stop the round to address it. It can/should be remedied (in terms of the ballot) with an apology (also assuming it was not intentional/severity) - if the language continues then you may face consequences depending on severity of the action/language.
Be nice (or at least professional/courteous toward your partner and opponents), be smart, and have fun.
Qualifications: I competed in speech and debate tournaments for five consecutive years throughout all of high school. Most of my debate experience comes from public forum and I have extensive judging experience as well.
Paradigm:
- I am fine with speed, but please talk clearly. If I cannot understand you, what you say will not appear on my flow.
- Organization is important. If you are organized, I will be able to connect your speeches throughout my flow better and (hopefully) end up voting for your team. Be especially clear with taglines.
- Weigh the impacts and clearly tell me why you win. If you don't, I will end up having to put my input into the vote.
- Impacts are important. Even if you have a clear claim and warrant, nothing will count unless you have an impact as a result of that. I will most likely vote based on your impacts and voters, so make sure they are clear and strong.
- Warrants are important. If you have an impact but no clear warrant or link to the resolution, I will not vote for it.
- Be sure your arguments are backed up by evidence. The better your arguments are backed up, the stronger it will be.
- I do not flow during crossfire. If anything important comes up during crossfire, be sure to mention that within your speeches if you want that to go on my flow.
Any clarifying questions about my paradigm can be asked before the round starts or to anstlgus02@gmail.com.
Parent judge and have been judging public forum for a year. Affiliated to Chelmsford High School , MA
Go slow and use lots of warranting
tldr: trad flow
dislike jargon
go slow
high threshold for what's considered warranting
warrants for offense and defense r necessary
cross is useless
prog is cool
Hello everyone! I am a university student studying Criminology at Simon Fraser University.
I am currently a PF coach, but my main focus of teaching is younger students in PRO-CON debate.
Tips on receiving higher points and winning the round:
1. I personally like off-time road map for easier flow.
2. Please have your camera on AND time yourself. It is important for you to get in the habit of timing yourself and being able to adjust to the timer.
3. I am HEAVY on frontlining (reconstruction) during second rebuttal AND summary. If I don't hear a frontlining in the second rebuttal, I will be disappointed.
4. I like clear weighing mechanism and USE the weighing mechanism terms in your speech. (ex. we outweigh on ____).
5. If your case is a sole contention, make sure to emphasize the subtopics AND impact and terminal impact.
6. Make sure your contention title is related to your argument and what you are talking about.
7. I highly favour quantifiable evidence over ANYTHING ELSE. So, use numbers!
Not Do's :
Any type of racism, sexism, discrimination, rude comments and negative behaviour will give you very low speaker points. So please be polite to one another :)
Do not talk over people OR cut people off during crossfire. I care a lot about mannerism and etiquette during the rounds. It is important to get your idea addressed, but please let others talk.
Lastly, Have Fun:)
Experience: Debated LD when I was in high school. I have judged many PF rounds judged
I love good analysis; not so impressed by blippy arguments. Having a coherent narrative by the end of the round is a good thing.
Evidence: quality over quantity. Understand your evidence. Ideally you should be able to:
- explain any expert opinion you cite (rather than just stating it),
- understand where a statistic comes from (how a study was done, what its limitations are etc),
- defend the relevance of any evidence you present, and
- be sure you’re not misrepresenting evidence.
Weighing is important (not just impacts). Tell me why I should vote for you.
Some speed is ok with me as long as you're clear .
If something isn’t in summary, don’t bring it up in FF.
I sometimes avoid disclosing at tournaments in order to get things moving.
collapse
extend
weigh
run ks, theory, trix, whatever. i default to competing interps.
Please be careful to go slow enough that I can understand you. You will absolutely get a higher score from me by providing less content at a speed I can understand than providing more content too quickly, even if the content is excellent. Similarly, I would rather hear fewer well organized, clear and concise arguments than a greater number of arguments that are not as well put together. In short, less can definitely be more.
- Competed in PF and Public Speaking in HS
- jasminejw.park@mail.utoronto.ca
- Send me an email before/after rounds if you have questions; feel free to use this email for an email chain
- Minimal spreading is fine but if I can't understand you, it won't end up on my flow
- Clear taglines are helpful
- Tech > Truth
- Weigh in FF with voters!
- I don't flow crossfire; mention it in rebuttal/summary/FF if you want it to go on my flow
- If it takes you more than 5 minutes to find a card, you don't have it
- If you're asking for every single evidence and I don't see why you needed it, it won't benefit you
- Be respectful during the debate
Public Form was originally designed with the framework that any reasonably educated lay person could follow an argument, weigh the evidence, and judge which side had greater merit. This is the precise premise from which I, as a former high school history teacher, will listen to your round and judge.
I will base my decision on the following 3 criteria:
1) Speech: Speaking slowly and clearly is critical. If you speak much too rapidly or in monotone, it’s hard to understand what you are saying, so it will not matter in the end how good your arguments are. Strive to enunciate, be articulate, and modulate your voice. Keep me engaged and listening.
2) Evidence: Your arguments should be easy to follow, logical, and practical. You should organize your evidence so that similar arguments are grouped together. It helps if you enumerate the arguments.
3) Decorum and Civility: Show respect to your opponent. Disagreements should never be disrespectful nor personal. Maintain a courteous, calm, and professional attitude and demeanor.
Remember that you are addressing and making a pitch to an informed and engaged citizen, not a professional speech and debate judge.
I debated all throughout high school, so I am very familiar with the mechanics of PF debate. Here is what I ask of you in each round:
1. Be kind and polite to your competitors. Being rude will affect speaker points, and in some extreme cases, the outcome of the round.
2. Talk at a pace that is reasonable to everyone in the round. I can flow speed and will clear you if you are just going too fast, but if I think that you are using speed as a tool to make the round inaccessible to your competitors, that may affect speaker points/outcome of the round.
3. Provide a clear explanation of why you should be winning the round. This will help you to be more sure of the outcome of the round. If you leave me to weigh impacts or compare frameworks, you are giving me a lot of control over the outcome of the round.
4. Provide evidence in a clear and accessible manner. I am totally fine with "Author Name, Year" citations (and in fact, I think this is how you should always cite after the first time you mention the card), but make sure that your citations are consistent and accurate. I will not ask for evidence at the end of the round (unless there is some major disagreement about what the card actually says in the round) because I feel that this is the responsibility of the debaters.
--If evidence is requested by your opponents, you must produce it in 90 seconds, or it will eat into your prep time. When reviewing evidence, that is your prep time. If I think you are using evidence request as a means to steal prep time, I will call you out and it will be reflected in your speaker points.
5. CrossX is a time for asking and answering questions. If I think that you are abusing the purpose of CrossX to respond to your opponent's answers, I will interrupt you. If it continues, it will be reflected in your speaker points.
6. Please feel free to ask me any questions you may have. Debate is an excellent learning opportunity, and if there is anything that I can do to make it more educational, just let me know. I am always available via email: rmreilly@umich.edu.
Thank you! Good luck!
Public Forum Debate:
I competed all 4 years of high school in Public Forum at Dexter High School, and have been coaching/judging since 2018. I mainly judge on use of impact weighing, cohesive arguments and responses, and unique/compelling arguments.
I judge on a mix of tech/truth. I won't necessarily drop a rebuttal or response with theory and no evidence as long as it makes sense, but for larger arguments that your case relies on, evidence is necessary. Decorum during the round (rudeness, interrupting repeatedly during crossfire, et cetera) will affect your score, more on this below. I don't flow crossfire and I don't judge on it, but I will be paying attention for contradictions or lack of knowledge/an answer. I'm not a fan of offtime roadmaps, considering they waste time during the round and serve very little purpose. If you signpost your speech properly, you won't need an offtime roadmap.
At the end of the day, I'll judge mostly on voter issues mentioned in the summary/FF, in terms of what arguments have been dropped, responded to, or are still standing, so make sure to collapse and/or mention your strongest points during the round at the end.
If any of the students in the round are having decorum issues, it will greatly affect my decision. I've noticed that most of these issues happen during crossfire, due to how easy it is to get frustrated with your opponent. While I was competing, I was definitely quick to make a crossfire heated - there's a pretty easy fix for this. Your speeches and your arguments should be addressed to me, and not your opponent. Your job is not to wear down your opponent until they concede, your job is to convince me that your arguments are more important. I hope this reframing of the debate can help some of you, even if crossfire isn't something you initially struggle with. Remember, we're here to learn and have fun, not to get angry at each other over arguments that really don't even matter in reality.
Forensics:
Now that forensics is slowly moving to Tabroom, I'll add a little blurb here about it. I competed in both interp and PA events, but found the most success later on in my forensics career in Broadcasting. I am more inclined towards the PA events and will probably be far more helpful as a judge in those events. If you're in interp and you've gotten a basically blank critique sheet from me, I sincerely apologize (if I have nothing to say it means I had nothing bad to say and didn't really notice you doing anything wrong).
That being said, in interp, there are a few things that I do not appreciate. First, adding too much emotion to lines that don't need that much emotion. If the only way you can come across as upset is by screaming your lines, try something else, like using facial expressions. I know a lot of you have pieces that require you to make loud noises, which is fine, but remember that there are usually people competing right next door. Screaming your entire piece is going to give me a headache and it's going to interrupt the round next door. Secondly, adding in incredibly dramatic scenes that make no sense with the cutting/story you're trying to convey. If you're conveying a character arc that has nothing to do with mental illness or suicide and then out of nowhere your character commits suicide, I will find it in bad taste unless there's a reason for it to be there. I don't take lightly to specifically issues of suicide and it won't give you extra points for having a more "emotional" program. Third, if you can do a cartwheel or a back handspring or whatever sort of gymnastic feat, please do not put it in your piece unless your piece calls for your character to do a gymnastic feat. I once judged a round where three people randomly did cartwheels and I had to decide who had the best cartwheel - please don't make me do that again. Thank you.
About Me: I went to a small high school and took debate class for all four years. I participated in policy debate, but we often did not compete in co-curricular events. I also joined the CMU Debate team for a semester and participated in Lincoln Douglas debate. In 2007, I judged forensics for MIFA as a student teacher at Utica High School. It has been about 10 years, but I just started coaching and judging Public Forum debate for Utica High School.
Judging Criteria: Providing framework is important, along with clear road mapping throughout your speech. Repeat your framework throughout the speech and adhere to that in your final focus. I usually flow the entire debate and judge primarily off of the flow, but I also weigh persuasiveness, evidence, logic, and refutations. I pay close attention to "dropped" arguments, so I suggest that you and your partner flow as to refute their arguments. Clash is very important to me in a debate. Use all of your speaker time - I am looking for your speech to refute the other teams' arguments, then strengthen your teams' arguments with supplemental evidence. Clear communication is important. Make eye contact as frequent as possible, I also prefer a conversational style, opposed to jargon that a "lay" judge would not understand. I am judging based on the quality of your arguments made - not the quantity. Speakers should appear confident, with clear, logical relevant arguments and recent evidence.
I like confidence in a speaker, but I do not like cockiness or being mean while debating. This is supposed to be fun and educational, so I expect you to keep it classy. Do not look at each other during cross fire - you are trying to persuade me - not your opponent. Do not make statements during cross fire - save that for your summary or final focus. Ask meaningful questions during cross fire, as it can be a turning point for a debate. I am not going to judge a debate based on how "pretty" you speak, but I take your communication style along with case, evidence & arguments into consideration.
Hello Everyone! My name is Phani and I am very excited to be your judge today!
I am relatively new to todays topic and I am lay judge.
In order to win my ballot, please do the following:
1) Speak Slowly and Clearly! I need to be able to understand your arguments clearly and you should also be as concise as possible when explaining them.
2) Remember that you are trying to convince me. Thus, I need you to tell me exactly why I should prefer your impacts/links over your opponents impacts/links.
3) Everyone should be respectful throughout the round!
If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask me during the round and remember to have fun!
s/o Anthony Ovadje for the paradigm template :)
I did PF for four years at Marist School.
General Stuff
Weigh and warrant arguments.
Tech > Truth
Add me to the email chain: vance.sydneym@gmail.com
Evidence
If you don't cut cards, strike me. I won't drop you if you paraphrase, but you must have cards available if called for and it will hurt your speaker points. I usually won't call for cards myself, but if your evidence is terribly misconstrued, I won't evaluate it and will tank your speaks.
2nd Half
2nd rebuttal must frontline defense and turns
Summary and FF must extend all parts of an argument if you want me to vote off of it
Speed
I'm fine with speed, but clarity is always more important
Theory/Kritiks
I have basically no experience with K lit, but I'm open to hearing K/soft left arguments. A lot more warranting and explanation needs to be done if you are running this argument in front of me.
I'll usually vote for paraphrasing and disclosure theory unless it's handled atrociously. If your opponents do something terrible in round, I'll also evaluate some sort of shell explaining why its unfair.
Other
Have fun! Debate is really competitive and intense at times, but you will make rounds better for you, your opponents, and judges if you actually seem to be enjoying yourself.
If you have any questions you can ask me in round or just email me.
Hey, my name is Jake, not "Judge".
Addressing me as "Judge" just makes me feel not human and not present in the conversation we're having.
Since the Fall of 2019, I have judged and coached predominantly public forum and congressional debate for Dexter High School. I graduated from MSU with a degree in international relations. I am currently pursuing a Masters in Integrative Management and am a graduate admissions counselor for Michigan State.
I competed in policy debate with MSU from Fall 2015-Spring 2017. I attended Canyon Springs High School in North Las Vegas, Nevada. I’ve done all the forms of debate throughout middle and high school (PF for two middle school years, LD for one year, Congress for a few tournaments, and Policy my sophomore through senior year).
I want to give back to the activity that gave me so much.
I have paradigms written in the order:
1. Public Forum
2. Congress
3. Policy
4. Lincoln Douglas
Public Forum
Please remember that Debate is much more about developing skills than winning a singular debate. I conceptualize Public Forum as an event which can be watched by anyone. You are encouraged to speak clearly rather than "spread". You should strive to learn all the short-hand, technology, and research skills of any other debate. Don't imitate the speaking quirks of other debates.
I'm very much a "flow" judge. I don't care about the things I know about the topic outside of the round, I hope to be completely tabula rasa. If a team says the sky is orange, and it goes uncontested, I will vote assuming the sky is orange. If your response to "The sky is orange." is "That just doesn't make sense, because it's not." I do not want to be the one who does the work for you to assume that because it is not orange it is blue.
I strongly believe that teams should time themselves and call out their opponent when it is "time". If you say you want to use 30 seconds of prep, I will not tell you when those 30 seconds are up, unless you explicitly ask me to be your timer. I will just keep running your time.
You have 3:00 minutes of prep. Use it well. Do not steal prep before speeches. You should be ready when you say you're done. You should immediately go into cross-ex or the next speech. Setting your timer or document up to read is part of prep. Please get better at being more efficient.
Constructives:
I believe the first speaker holds the responsibility of providing definitions and the necessary context for understanding the topic. I do think definitions and context can be framed strategically in favor of the side in which the team is arguing; therefore, I would entertain counter definitions (and warrants to use one definition over another). Also, see the paragraph below about Framework.
I believe that if you are the second speaker, it is strategic for you to have a plethora of contentions that you can draw from to form a case that has built-in answers or "turns" for your opponent's case. For example, you know that you can only fit three contentions into your case to be within time. Yet, you have 5 or 6 possible contentions that you can put together to make a cohesive case. Reading one of your contentions that you know gives you a leg up on your opponents by either turning their argument or refuting their argument is strategic. It will also limit the ability of the first speaker to spread you out after their first rebuttal because the second rebuttal has to not only answer the first rebuttal but provide answers to the opponent's case.
I like it when teams use a lot of evidence, but if you have evidence that is using percentages, decimals, and whole numbers, please just do the conversion so they are all the same. I generally don't like data laundry lists, unless you specifically tell me why each point of data matters.
Summary:
Your summary should invest a lot of your speech time in impact comparison. Go through magnitude, timeline, reversibility (whether there is a brink point), etc. You need to be contextualizing your link scenario. You can not jump from an overview to saying that causes nuclear war without telling me who is fighting and why.
I catch maybe 50% of the authors/citations from the constructives. You can not just say "Extend Krueger" as an answer or extension. I probably don't know what evidence you're referring to. I would prefer if you say, "Extend Krueger which says...". At that point, I will usually catch the citation and call for the evidence if I really need to. I rarely call for evidence.
Final Focus:
Your final focus should start with a Reason for Decision. Tell me at the start the reasons I should vote for you and what my ballot does (does it fiat, actually save lives, decide on a decision about the rules of debate, or is it just a logical decision for which side I think is best.). The best teams can rehash the debate and close all the doors line-by-line.
Cross-Examination:
You should not be asking your opponent to reiterate anything. You should be asking leading questions like, "You said [paraphrase], correct?", "Your first contention was X, correct?". Asking "What was your first contention?" or "Can you explain your link scenario?" just gives your opponents more speech time and often leads to filibustering. If you ask these questions, you're lucky if you get good speaker points. I like teams who filibuster if their opponents don't know how to cross-examine them. I would like cross-ex to end at 3:00 minutes, not 3:30 because you're allowing the other team to ramble.
I don't typically flow cross-examination, but if you're asked a question like, "What is Iran's motivation to attack Israel?" and your response is, "Their feud goes way back." That doesn't give me much confidence that you actually understand your argument. This means your extension of that argument in the speech is just a reiteration with no contextualization, and that's not a good argument.
Framework:
In most of the PF debates I've seen, framework is not argued properly, and it has become an unnecessary 10 seconds of everyone's speech time. If a framework is not mentioned, I assume I should vote for the team attempting to do the greatest good for all people (general utilitarianism). If you want to provide a framework that tells me to vote for the good of America, the poor, the few, etc. tell me, and my ballot will assume that framework unless argued against. If you do not want to contest your opponent's framework, you don't have to. If the framework goes uncontested after the first constructive on either side, I don't need you to extend it through to your summary and final focus.
I think you can tell me whether my ballot has any actual meaning in the world. Does my ballot have a real world impact as soon as I vote? I would also entertain a framework that tells me to vote for the team that provides the best education/practice of skills because my ballot does not impact real policy.
Evidence Sharing:
Public Forum evidence sharing rules are dumb and unclear.
Any evidence read/cited in the round must be made available to the opponent upon request. Teams ought to be able to find and electronically share their evidence very, very rapidly. If the time spent finding a piece of evidence is beyond 90 seconds, I will begin taking prep away from the team asked to provide the evidence. The lack of prep time CANNOT be a reason to deny a team the chance to see their opponent’s evidence.
If a team simply cannot produce their evidence or is out of prep time to find it, it will be dismissed.
Time spent reading the opponent’s evidence must be timed in some way, either as prep time or while another speech/crossfire is underway.
Kritiks:
PF has not evolved to include Kritiks, from what I've seen. I don't think it should evolve in that direction. Four minutes doesn't really allow you enough time to make a good case for a Kritik like argument, and I think Public Forum should really be about developing real-world skills.
Word Choice:
I started to say “y’all” instead of gendered pronouns, but I don’t think what you say outside of your speech or cross-ex should be a reason to lose the debate; unless the team is clearly sexist/racist/etc.
Conduct:
If you enter the room while someone else is talking, I will hold a vendetta against you forever. I’m okay with everyone acting casual and having a good time. I always enjoyed the debates I had against my friends and with judges that I knew. Don’t be afraid to roll up your sleeves, loosen up, and wear whatever. I'll be happy if we are all comfortable and relaxed.
Congressional Debate
My ballots are typically short and include whether you've made an appeal to ethos, logos, or pathos. I try to judge congressional debate as interactive original oratory. Therefore, you should be hold yourself in the role of a senator and making the most appropriate appeal. I judge based on persuasive your speech was in relation to the other debaters, but also how well you held to the appeal you thought was most important on the topic. Make sure you're reading the entirety of the legislation, and speaking to the legislation as written and not the top line idea. Please cite your evidence or at least introduce your author.
Politics is a cut-throat world. I find it humorous that most of the congress rounds I've watched have devolved into this utopian atmosphere where you find a way to make sure everyone can give a speech. I do not like to reward students for being cordial in a competitive event. The presiding officer has the responsibility to give everyone fair and equal opportunities to speak. The other competitors can strategically use the rules of order to be more competitive. If you are consistently overriding the rules to allow multiple Pro speeches in a row, you are not doing anyone favors.
You should be preparing speeches for multiple legislation per round. If you missed your opportunity to speak on the one legislation you had prepared, that sounds like your fault. I also think there are plenty of pieces of legislation that are debatable on both sides, so if you can't play the devil's advocate on lop-sided legislation, you are not "playing the game".
Each speech should have clash. Rebuttal (with a direct reference to the senator who made the argument) is an example of clash. Adding nuance to another senator's point that was on your side is clash. If you are rehashing the same points, you are not clashing, and will not be rewarded for doing so. As the author of a bill, or first speaker on the bill, I evaluate your positive clash by seeing whether you have introduced all the major talking points on your side. I think you can introduce the talking points briefly, and allow other legislators to add evidence.
I think it is very difficult to judge the presiding officer. So long as the presiding officer is staying organized, and doesn't make mistakes, they typically do well. I think presiding officers hold the responsibility of encouraging good debate. They do not have to entertain every motion to postpone the rules and allow the last person to speak if the previous speeches on the topic have only been rehash. Given that presiding officers typically do well, I think it should be a competitive appointment. Unanimous decisions for who should be PO typically mean the kids know who the best in the round is.
For all points of order, I try to use Robert's Rules of Order. I'm no expert, but you should be: http://www.rulesonline.com/index.html
Policy Debate
Speed: You do you. I’m pretty good at following arguments if you’re clear and do work signposting. I have experience debating in front of flow and lay judges so I understand any experience level. Some speeds are impossible to follow unless you have a speech doc; don’t go that fast. I don’t think I ever want to get in the habit of flowing on my computer so you will most likely see me flowing on paper.
Theory: I’d vote on theory if it was dropped. Everyone has to lose on condo at least once in their life. If you’re going to make theory the only thing left in the debate, it needs to take up all of your time and you need to do a good job explaining why they’re abusive. Condo is really only abusive if there is more than 1 of each argument, but I can see either side. I’d still vote on condo (in some cases) if the neg met that interpretation but dropped condo.
T: I really only like watching T if the aff is clearly untopical, or if it’s a Kritikal affirmative. I evaluate the analysis of abuse the same as if it were theory. I don’t mind you putting T in the 1NC if you think it would be a viable 2NR option. I went for “T quid-pro-quo” on the Latin America topic quite a bit, but I knew it was really silly. I can also justify T if it is purely for laughs.
CP/DA: 99% of the time these were my go-to arguments in high school. Go for anything here! Extra bonus if you have aff specific arguments. I don't have too much experience going for politics as the Neg. I always went for PC isn't real as the aff and winners win. It's hard for me to vote on an unquantifiable influence token. I am willing to evaluate the evidence and determine my opinion of politics in the round.
K: Don’t read things that you haven’t done background research on. I read the security k and cap/neolib k throughout high school because I read a ton of books about them. I wrote a 25 page research paper on reevaluating American capitalism during my senior year of high school. I have background with any queer theory/gender/sexuality arguments you might have. Other than that, I’m not very familiar with most arguments, but if you do a good job explaining it, I’ll vote on it. Anything is fair game if it isn’t absolutely absurd. Coming from a background with little experience against the kritik, I can sympathize with the teams that freak out when a Kritik is read against them, but I won’t vote for them if they don’t answer the argument. If you can teach me new things, I’ll be happy.
K Affs: I really don’t understand the purpose of Kritikal affirmatives that don’t have a plan text. Most of the time I just hear implications of what voting aff means without getting a concrete answer. You should have a reason to vote aff, and I’m not sure what the reason is without a plan. I’ll vote for you if you do a good job explaining it. I have a litany of ways I’d scrutinize performative arguments that come from my background in interp. Go for what you do best.
Performance arguments: Most of my high school success came from Humorous Interpretation, where I qualified to the NIETOC twice. While I don’t think this will affect how you debate, it should make you think about how you read any performative arguments in front of me. I have been a 2A, 2N, and double 2s. I had a different partner every year in high school. I was mostly self-taught in policy, and my coach advised me to do a lot of silly things. I was part of the only policy team our school had. Therefore, I understand if you aren’t familiar with certain arguments or have limited backfiles, because I was in the same boat. I always preferred judge philosophies that were broke up into categories after the intro; therefore:
Offense vs. Defense: I feel like there are scenarios where the neg can win if they only have defensive arguments at the end of the debate, but don’t make that your priority. In that instance, I would evaluate that scenario as the world is better without the aff. Yet, I’d vote aff in that scenario if they proved benefits outweighed the cost.
Flashing/Prep/CX: Prep time ends when the flash drive leaves the computer/email is sent unless there is a clear computer malfunction. Otherwise, it’s just inefficiency on your part. Don’t steal prep time. I am alright with tag team cross-ex, but don’t take all of your partner’s time. Cross-ex is a good opportunity to elaborate on arguments that have been/will be made.
Word Choice: I started to say “y’all” instead of gendered pronouns, but I don’t think what you say outside of the 8/5 speech or cross-ex should be a reason to lose the debate; unless the team is clearly sexist/racist/etc. I’m okay with some cussing, but don’t make it like you’re talking to your best friend. If the other team reads an argument against you for cussing, I’ll laugh and vote for it if it is good.
Conduct: If you enter the room while someone else is talking, I will hold a vendetta against you forever. I’m okay with everyone acting casual and having a good time. I always enjoyed the debates I had against my friends and with judges that I knew, because it was fairly laid back. Don’t be afraid to roll up your sleeves, loosen up, and wear whatever. If you can make me feel comfortable, I’ll be happy.
Bonus points: I like people that express Spartan pride. Make good jokes and puns while speaking. Dance at any appropriate time during the debate. Make a reference to someone you know from Las Vegas. My dad is a magician. If you can do a relevant magic trick, I’d be amazed.
Lincoln Douglas:
I am predominantly a public forum judge and a former policy debater. I'm still learning the nuances of Lincoln Douglas, but hopefully, I can provide you with a clear paradigm. Most importantly, I want you to debate in whatever manner you feel comfortable debating. I can adapt.
I'm very much a "flow" judge. I don't care about the things I know about the topic outside of the round, I hope to be completely tabula rasa. If a team says the sky is orange, and it goes uncontested, I will vote assuming the sky is orange. If your response to "The sky is orange." is "That just doesn't make sense, because it's not." I do not want to be the one who does the work for you to assume that because it is not orange it is blue.
I strongly believe that teams should time themselves and call out their opponent when it is "time". If you say you want to use 30 seconds of prep, I will not tell you when those 30 seconds are up, unless you explicitly ask me to be your timer. I will just keep running your time.
In Lincoln Douglas, I think it is important for each side to present a value and value criterion. If one side has the two, but the other side does not, I will assume I should follow the uncontested value and value criterion.
I am familiar with most philosophies from either my policy experience or the classes I took in college. I'm not a huge fan of advertisements of nihilism, but could be persuaded to understand that some life events are inevitable or needed.
Hi! Current junior pf debater. Good luck!
lindseywu05@gmail.com (email chains/card doc and speech docs)
Nocember:
sorry I have like no crypto knowledge so unless u define crypto-related jargon, use at ur own risk
General:
- tab ras
- signpost!!!!!!!!!!!! & roadmaps (if idk where u r I'm prob not gonna flow correctly sorry)
- COMPARATIVE weighing
- tech>truth
- speed is meh but if spreading (>250 wpm) I need a speech doc before speech
- generally would like cases sent to me so I can make sure I catch the numbers correctly
- idc if u collapse, the strategy is urs but there's a risk of under contextualizing/weaker narrative if u go for a ton of args
- 10 sec grace period
- pls don't be rude, this is debate I know you want to win, so if you do... don't be rude
- pls do not scream, I will dock ur speaks
- I DO NOT TOLERATE sexism/racism/homophobia/anything that compromises someone's safety etc.
- MUST READ A TRIGGER WARNING + GOOGLE FORM OPT-OUT OPTION
Speeches:
- second rebuttal should frontline turns at a minimum
- sticky defense <3 (I still want to hear some of the best pieces of defense tho)
- all offense u want me to evaluate should be in summary (offense should be mirrored in summary to ff)
- no new args/responses/analytics in ff
Theory:
- I evaluate all theory and I pretty much love theory EXCEPT any frivolous theory (i.e. 30 speaks)
Ks:
- uh idrk how to evaluate so yea no thx
How to get 30 speaks:
- if ur RLY good (ofc)
- if ur rly funny
lmk if u have any questions!
I’ve been coaching for West Bloomfield High School and judging for 7 years. I do not like to intervene and put my personal opinions into the debate. It is up to the debaters to decide how the round will go and to back up their claims through sufficient evidence and reasoning.
DECORUM
Above all else, you are learning and growing as debaters. Any abusive or overly competing behavior does nothing for the educational activity that debate is intended to be.
I do not like when debaters cut each other off during CX. This is a time to understand your opponents case, how are you going to do that if you won’t let them finish their response to the question YOU asked? Keep it down to questions, this is not time to argue. I prefer you address your opponents'caseinstead of addressing them directly.
SPEED
When I'm judging, I don't get to ask you clarification questions in the round like your opponents do, so -- above all else -- prioritize being understood by ME and not just trying to read fast so you have more on the flow. Remember, for me to flow it, I have to be able to listen to and understand what you're going for; prioritize clarity over speed.
Do NOT spread (speed-read). Anything over 300 wpm (look up a video for reference) is "speeding". It's not like I can stop you from speed-reading, but I only flow the things I can listen to AND understand, not just the remnants of things you vaguely enunciated at 10000mph. I don't care if you've disclosed your entire speech verbatim; if you can't read that speech in a way that I can understand without me looking at your disclosed speech doc, you'll have a tough time with the flow.
SPEECHES
Please signpost your arguments! "Signposting" is stating what argument you're responding to before you start responding to it. It helps to organize and understand what you say for both your opponents and the judge.
Cross-examinations: I have always thought CXs were the most important part of any debate round, so listen closely. If you or your opponent say something in VERY stark contrast to your case, that goes on my ballot. Essentially, anything that raises a big red flag goes on the flow. This, however, does not happen often and can be arbitrary since there's no definitive scale for what's considered "in stark contrast" to a case. Thus, your best bet is to mention anything from CX that's of importance in a speech as soon as possible to ensure it gets on my flow.If you ask good questions & are polite here, I typically give high speaks.
STYLE
I'm a mix of Tech and Truth judging. Tech means judging exclusively on what's said in the round; Truth means judging based on how true your args are to the real world. I think any good judge should consider both -- it can prevent debaters from substantiating args that are exceedingly unrealistic but also holds debaters accountable for making realistic args (or at the very least, bringing them up at the appropriate time).
I fact-check any and all "Truths" before I use them in a decision. If it's highly controversial, out of date, or not concrete enough, I just don't use it in voting and default to whatever you told me in the round. In other words, unless you literally have me trembling in utter fear about being nuked to extinction/pandemic'd to oblivion/whatever, I'm probably going to factor in the more realistic impact.
THEORY & Kritiks
Preferably not in PF... Theory/Ks maybe, but it should be topical and relevant by the time you bring it up. I would vote for theories/kritiks if they're outstandingly clear, but I should be shaking in my boots at the mere thought of not voting for your theory/K.No tricks whatsoever-- they're super abusive and I'm not voting on that.
PET PEEVES
Please do not say "Judge, we've won this debate," because you don't know that.
When you are done with your speech, let me know by saying some variation of "we urge a (pro/con) ballot" or some indicator that you are done. Otherwise I might just think you are taking a long pause.
TLDR
Don’t be an abusive jerk and you’ll be fine.