Quarry Lane Open Scrimmage 2
2023 — Online, CA/US
Policy Debate Paradigm List
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T/L
Been in debate for 4 years.
Don't have all that many hardcore preferences that aren't resolved by better debating.
Case Debate
Good case debate will especially get you good speaks---especially applicable to 2AC case debating; 'not reading new cards bc 2ac messed up' are words you should not want to hear.
DA
Implicate how different parts of the da interact with the advantage, how much of each par the da you need to win --- is any risk of a da sufficient given a solvent cp? Does turns case make any risk of a link sufficient? does dropped link mean that probabilistic uniqueness is irrelevant?
CP
Just like above; contextualize to what extent you need to win a net benefit in comparison to a solvency deficit.
Not great for textual plus functional as an interp. Better for function alone. Alright for textual alone.
Permutation do the counterplan > intrinsic perm
As a fellow 2A, I'll be sympathetic to theory, and think it's less arbitrary than most.
Lack of solvency advocate certainly justifies new 1AR answers.
T
My second favorite type of debate.
Impact calculus is key.
Aff vs K
Good link/link turns case, contextualized alt solvency to the 1AC, and case debating seem the optimal way to do it if this is your strategy.
Framework typically decides these debates so developing diverse offense for the neg would be the way to go; I'll be technical in determining and won't "It was a wash" my way out of it.
Neg vs K
Pick fairness or clash early on so you can develop offense; having both often conflict with one another, i.e going for the 'this ballot doesn't spill out; neg on presumption' 'debate doesn't change subjectivity' in tandem with 'voting neg iteratively spills up to models of debate as the community changes' seem to clash with one another; I think that negs need a mechanism of spilling out if going for models. This means starting the question of what my ballot does early, and being definitve about it.
TVA/SSD are great ways to mitigate AFF exclusion offense and thus should be well-developed; a good 1NR on TVA with solvency debating, impact calculus, puts a lot of pressure on the 1AR.
NOVICE / JV / MS
Make sure I can hear every word you're saying. this is a time to be getting better, and improving so demonstrate you've put in the slightest of effort.
I've judged these and it usually comes down to impact calculus, line by line, or resolving so if you've done all three well your speaks start at 29.
Misc
I only start flowing from the 1NC on case.
I won't look at docs unless a piece of evidence is explicitly disputed/brought up in a final rebuttal.
Number plz.
FR is NEG biased.
SPEAKS scale(stolen):
- Above 29.5: I will spend tonight crying about how beautifully you debated
- 29.5: I will tell my friends about you
- 29 – 29.5: You should get a top 5 speaker award
- 28.7 – 29: You should probably break
- 28.5 – 28.7: You gave solid speeches
- 28 – 28.5: You are a good debater, some strategic errors
- 27.5 – 28: You are decent, but made many errors
- 27 – 27.5: You made many mistakes, and probably lost the debate for your team
- 26.5 – 27: You made many errors and should end 1-5 or 0-6
- 26 – 26.5: You shouldn’t be in whatever level of debate you are
- Under 26: You were literally incomprehensible or offensive
QLS '25
Tech > Truth
Please name the email chain as follows: [Tournament name] [Round #] - [AFF team code] vs. [NEG team code]
For novice:
please do line by line, be respectful to each other, and have fun.
Topicality
Offense/defense. Impacting your standard is very important. Choose the standard you are winning and weigh them against the ones you are losing.
Card quality matters the most. Ideally, they should be in the context of the resolution or at least close to it.
Counterplan
If your CP is complicated, make sure you clearly explain the mechanism somewhere.
substance > competition > theory
I will vote on intrinsic or severance perms, but there will be a higher threshold requiring you to win theory (either justifying the perm through illegit CP or claiming you are not intrinsic or severance)
Condo good/bad is up to debate. Numerical interpretations do make sense.
Theories other than condo (and disclosure maybe) is usually a reason to reject argument not the team.
My default is no judge kick, but can be persuaded otherwise by clearly state so in both 2NC and 2NR, and AFF can contest this.
Disad
Turns case argument is very important.
A story/spin is usually more strategic than a dozen of cards that says the same thing.
Kritik
AFF needs to utilize the case, NEG needs to apply the links to the AFF. The one talks more about the case usually wins the debate.
Not great for framework, better for substance. You probably need an alt.
- I will not find a middle ground in framework, but feel free to advocate for one.
K tricks are cool (eg. floating piks, root cause, etc.)
T-USFG
If both sides debated equally, I lean neg. It would be sad if you decided to spread your block without doing specific line-by-line.
Fairness is both a terminal impact and internal link.
AFF should go for impact turn if you clearly don't meet.
I don't think you necessarily have to answer case in the 2NR to win. T is a procedural so it comes before case. However, sometimes winning case defense can resolve aff's offense on T.
K-Affs
I don't think it is different with "policy" debate; in fact, I think it is more fun to watch because the ideological clash is deeper than that a policy vs. policy debate can offer.
I will prefer those critique the resolution or have some relationship with the rez.
If you are simply taking your K and retagging it to make it a K-aff, it is very annoying.
I will vote on presumption. It is under utilized.
Misc.
Preferably slow down a bit on tag for me to get pen time.
You can insert rehighlightings as long as it is in their cards. If it is before/after where their cards start/end, you have to read it.
CX is binding, but if your opponent concedes something, say that in the next speech.
Qls 26
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For Policy:
Focus on depth in arguments (claim + warrent + impact) and clarity more than speed. This means that even with conceeded args you must do the comparative weighing for me. Don't just extend arguments—explain their importance and how it impacts the round. quality > quantity (this means for spreading too). if u steal prep i will be sad :(
also, plz say what word u r marking a card at
Have fun :)
QLS 24 | USC 28
Policy (3yrs) and PF (1 yr).
Email Address: zleyi0121@gmail.com ; debate@student.quarrylane.org
I learned everything I know about debate from Chris Thiele - his paradigm is 1000x more detailed than mine will be.
Top Level (TLDR):
- Tech > Truth
- OpenSource is good. Paraphrase is bad
- Speech Doc is mandated. Please set up an email chain before the round starts and send all your cards and evidence for each speech.
- Don't steal prep and time your speech
- Speed is okay with me (ie: normal high school/college spreading, so don't read spreading theory against your opponent pls. it's dumb.) Just be clear and be slower at the tag and analytics. (Notice English is my second language.) Quality>Quantity.
- Please Line by line the argument. Don't drop arguments and bring up brand-new stuff in your last speech.
- I have no offense with most arguments. You may say, "human extinction is good" or "xx country is evil." I am cool with animal and alien impact as well. At least you should follow the structure of "author+claim+warrants+data+impact."
- Won't judge kick unless getting instruction
- (MS/Novice rounds)
1. I don't believe in the stock issue. Sorry. How people debate in recent TOC/NDT is the only pattern of debate I learned.
2. Collapsing is important: I found many teams choose to go for all the things they have at the beginning to the end for both aff and neg, but none of the flow is fully developed. pls don't do that. Extend more than 2 offs in the 2NR is a signal of losing my ballot.
- Not a huge fans for overview. Just need one sentence in the top of the 2nr/2ar instructed me how I should write my ballot and why you win the debate.
- Cool with Post-Round. I think it's pretty educational. However, the question should be a more technical base regarding the argument. Instead of "I said this in my speech. did you not flow it?" (Truth: I post-round when I am a debater. I think it's more a process of self-validation. The ballot won't change, but I would tell you I made a wrong judgement if I truly think I made a wrong decision. The chance would be pretty rare though.)
For policy specific:
Topicality
- Prefer competing interpretations. Offense/Defense + weighing is better than just going for reasonability.
- More evidence + card comparison determine the truth usually
- In-round abuse is good, but you don't need it to win my ballot.
Theory
- I will vote on theory. However, if you are going to run really weird theories, you should consider either you have amazing standards and warranting or the other team screwed up.
- I prefer to be more offensive in theory. The same goes for topicality. Competing for an interp is definitely stronger than saying we meet.
- Condo: real theory arg, but I am really bad at going for it as a debater. I think the condo is a winning strategy for me only when the neg team drops (auto win or T > Condo?) or the neg off case span is extremely abusive. You can still extend condo and go for it, but my threshold for neg to get away with it in 2NR would be low.
- For independent theory on off case (eg. fifty state fiat and process cp bad), "reject the arg not the team" is sufficient for me if the neg team is not going for it.
Framework
- Powerful tool if you utilize it well. (Fun facts: I had ran a policy aff with 2min case + 6min FW in high school)
- Winning a well-developed FW would determine how I eveluate every argument in the round
- If you want to win the framework, you should contetualize with your opponents' counter fw and explain why your fw is less arbitary and produce better education, policymaking, etc for debate.
- Policy Aff Vs K: There's a really high threshold for me to agree not to weigh the aff, but if the aff team drops your FW, then nvm. (Truth: I hate FW. Every 2N told me I couldn't weigh anything.)
- FW Vs K Aff: Naturally, I prefer to go for Clash and TVA. Fairness can be an impact but less for me, especially when debate collapse on subjectivity change. History already show us K Aff won't completely disappear by reading more FW. Question more down to why the alternative model of debate is more important than the k. The only two true internal links for me on the neg are ground and limit. (Truth: everyone read FW against me I hate FW, but still go for it b/c I hate k v k more)
Case
- I think it's really hard for neg to know more about the case than aff does. If neg has an amazing case neg, I will reward the team.
- Go in-depth into the argument. Card comparisons are always effective. Weighing should not be later than 1AR.
DA
- It would never be wrong to go for a DA. Go hard on weighing + turn case!!
- Follow basic offense + defense pattern
- I feel like DA is the only section that is truth > tech for me. The evidence is the most essential part. The more recent cards plus good warrants always change the uniqueness and control the link.
CP
- My favorite off strat, go on competition
- I hate random cheating cp, especially when there are more than 6 offs. However, go for it when you need to win. (Truth: I also run these cps myself as 2N, but I still hate them when I need to answer them)
- Perm: prefer"perm to do both," "perm to do cp," and "perm to do the plan and part of the cp." You can read other forms of perms, but I don't think that's a winning strategy. (edit: if the plan is a process or devolution cp, i may buy intrinsic perm if u go well on theory)
Ks
- Prefer more plan based link.
- Both sides can fiat the alt. Prove to me how the alt solves the k and the case better compared to the plan. Of course, you don't need an alt to win the debate. I will treat the K like a philosophical DA if you don't go for alt; then weighing and framework is important. FW prefer weigh the aff against the alt. If your A strat is win the fiat K and "you link you lost," I am probably not the best judge for you.
- Perm is generally just served for checking uncompetitive alternatives.
- Ethics violation: If someone's discourse/behaviors has been called out as an ethical issue, I think an apology should always come first. If the situation falls into a deadlock, I would prefer to stop the round and call the tab instead of treating it as a link.
KAffs
- I debated K aff throughout my junior year, so I think I am somewhat familiar with it. I think K aff is pretty interesting, even though most of the time, it will end up collapsing on t-usfg. Statistically, 90% of the time, I am answering the framework, so I will still vote on it if you run it well. On neg, I usually run T against K aff, but you are free to run anything else.
LD:
- I have no experience with LD debate or topic, so I may judge based on policy standards. This means I will still try my best to understand your argument, but better no trick and philosophy.
Be respectful
Have fun!
Elizabeth Zhuge
Add me to the email chain: ezhuge12@gmail.com
Pronouns: she/her
Experience: I debated one year of public forum in 8th grade, policy 9th-current. I go to Quarry Lane.
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General
Do not steal prep! Only typing when timer is running.
You should not be louder than the person giving the speech.
Tech > Truth; I will vote on arguments I don't believe in- will not vote for things like racism good, but will vote for things like warming good, anthro K, etc.
I will dock speaks if you're mean and it makes me less inclined to vote for you in a 50/50.
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Policy
Speed: Please go slower or be clear. If I don't know what you're saying I won't flow it. Spreading through your analytics makes them unintelligible and they won't be on my flow.
Ts: I'm probably not good for this but will vote on it.
Ks: Fine.
CPs: Fine.
DAs: Fine.
K Affs: I'm probably not good for this. If you're running a K Aff I will need a lot of explanation.
Framework: Probably not unless you make it very clear.
Open cross is fine. If your partner is answering/asking all the questions during your cross it probably won't look good though.
Please do impact calc/framing!
High threshold for voting on condo but if they have a ridiculous amount of off-case will probably consider it and you probably get some new args.
Can be convinced either way on judge kick, if no instruction will default to no judge kick.
Dropped arguments still need to be explained for me to vote on them.
If you're hiding a bunch of theory arguments and waiting for your opponent to drop it and blow it up I will be sympathetic to new answers.
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LD
No experience at all. I won't know LD specific arguments and I also don't know the topic. Will judge it like policy. Refer to policy section.
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Public Forum
Not up to date on the topic. If you're running policy arguments in PF-style I will probably not be happy but if you run it on a policy level I might be more willing to vote for it.
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I like plants.